354 — Plant Medicines: Magic or Doors to Healing With Payam

If you’ve watched the news lately, the pharmaceutical world is beginning to embrace the use of psychedelic medicines as a safer and more effective means to treat deep emotional challenges. That’s the good news…

However, are people using these ancestral medicines like allopathic medicines to bypass the deeper work they truly need that can create real pathways to personal growth and lasting healing?

Payam, a renowned international master of psychedelic medicines, describes the real and false promises of these medicines and how they can be used wisely to heal the wounded child within all of us this week on Spirit Gym. 

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Timestamps 

3:37 Payam offers an invocation to begin his conversation with Paul.

6:52 A life of suffering and trauma from a very young age was the emotional baseline for Payam.

10:09 The start to becoming a medical doctor is turning off the human heart machine.

13:06 Treating psychedelics like allopathic medicines.

23:47 Healing the thorn in our soul.

32:52 Insight (synthetic) medicines (ketamine, MDMA) versus organic (spirit) medicines (Huachuma).

42:48 The importance of relational safety.

48:10 “All it takes is a kiss to get there.”

51:30 The false promises of plant medicines.

1:02:09 Payam’s recent lesson from the spirits: Cloud people and earth people.

1:19:16 The mark of a great man and his butterfly effect on the world.

1:23:32 The knives that were Payam’s first teachers.

1:32:30 Medicines Payam uses with his clients.

1:40:18 “The question isn’t not why (drug) addiction but why the pain?”

1:51:13 All of us are wounded children…

Resources

The work of Dr. Gabor Maté

Paul’s Spirit Gym conversation with Greg Schmaus

Reality +: Virtual Worlds and the Problems of Philosophy by David Chalmers

The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe by Jeremy Lent

Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears

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Chapters

• 0:00 Intro
• 3:37 Payam offers an invocation to begin his conversation with Paul.
• 6:52 A life of suffering and trauma from a very young age was the emotional baseline for Payam.
• 10:09 The start to becoming a medical doctor is turning off the human heart machine.
• 13:06 Treating psychedelics like allopathic medicines.
• 18:33 Tarot For Soul Guidance
• 23:47 Healing the thorn in our soul.
• 32:52 Insight (synthetic) medicines (ketamine, MDMA) versus organic (spirit) medicines (Huachuma).
• 40:19 Korrect
• 42:48 The importance of relational safety.
• 48:10 “All it takes is a kiss to get there.”
• 51:30 The false promises of plant medicines.
• 59:10 Organifi
• 1:02:09 Payam’s recent lesson from the spirits: Cloud people and earth people.
• 1:19:16 The mark of a great man and his butterfly effect on the world.
• 1:20:37 Paleovalley
• 1:23:32 The knives that were Payam’s first teachers
• 1:32:30 Medicines Payam uses with his clients.
• 1:36:02 BiOptimizers
• 1:40:18 “The question isn’t not why (drug) addiction but why the pain?”
• 1:51:13 All of us are wounded children…