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410 — Simple Things Make All The Difference With Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart
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The difference between being healthy or not healthy mostly comes down to the simple things within your control like eating nutrient-rich foods, incorporating movement into your daily routine and following a stable sleep schedule.
Like Paul, BIOptimizers co-founders, Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart, constantly test, test and test their bodies, beliefs and products to ensure those simple things are always protecting and enhancing better health.
Building on that theme of experimenting, Matt talks about the 80,000+ experiments he’s done on BIOptimizers products over the years and Wade shares his bucket theory of nutrition that will make your health more bulletproof this week on Spirit Gym.
Besides the many great BIOptimizers products Wade and Matt have developed, you’ll want to check out the BIOptimizers Nutrition Coach Program. Look for Matt and Wade on social media via Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Listen to the BIOptimizers Awesome Health Podcast hosted by Wade on Apple Podcasts.
Timestamps
2:19 Is maltodextrin in your electrolyte drink?
6:08 BiOptimizers’ bio-lab recently topped the 80,000 mark in experiments.
10:17 Wade’s concussion theory.
24.28 “Matt loves running experiments on everything.”
32:42 Do you have a zinc deficiency?
38:32 Can you really feel the truth?
51:30 How to make your health more bulletproof.
1:00:37 Wade’s bucket theory of nutrition.
1:08:55 Feeling the sensation of a weightlifter’s/athlete’s heart.
1:16:38 Understanding cofactors.
1:22:53 “One of the hardest things [for humans] to absorb is fat soluble molecules.”
1:33:21 Protecting your microbiome.
1:45:44 Wade’s small confession.
1:53:30 The power of the placebo and the biology of belief.
2:02:00 The benefits of experiential reality.
2:17:06 Substitute the word belief for hypothesis and your life will change.
2:23:00 “Children are the ultimate health hack.”
Resources
The Ultimate Nutrition Bible by Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart
Orthomolecular Psychiatry: Treatment Of Schizophrenia by Dr. David Hawkins and Dr. Linus Pauling
Bioaccessibility, bioavailability and metabolism of functional foods, Handbook of Functional Foods
Paul’s podcast conversation with Jason Christoff
Hildegard von Bingen’s Physica by Saint Hildegard of Bingen and Priscilla Throop
The Fat of the Land by Vilhjalmur Stefansson
Your Body’s Many Cries for Water by Fereydoon Batmanghelidj
The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life by Robert Becker and Gary Selden
Tuning in to Nature by Philip Callahan
Biochemical Individuality by Roger Williams
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Intro
SPEAKER_00Welcome to Spirit Gym. In this episode, Paul sits down with Matt Gallant and Wade Lighthart, co-founders of Biotimizers, for a conversation that pumped science lesson, pumped origin story, and pumped just three healthy guys chewing the metaphorical fact. Wade and Matt were both trainers working with pro-athletes and other high performers and spent a decade helping people transform their health. They met in the gym, struck a friendship, and then started a business partnership that's been going strong for over two decades. In this episode, you'll hear why a man who drank a gallon of water daily was still walking around dehydrated. What happened when a probiotic strain survived a toxic bust and came out stronger for it? And why testing nine suppliers for a single vitamin turned up only two that actually contained it. Along the way, Matt and Wade opened up about the thousands of experiments behind their newest magnesium formula, the ratio most people get backwards with zinc, and a quietly bold claim about a mineral engineered to cross the blood-brain barrier. But before we get started, we'd like to say thank you for listening, as this podcast would not be possible without you, our subscribers and followers. We'd also like to thank our sponsors, my optimizers, Organifi, Paleo Valley, and Wild Pastures. You'll hear their special offers and discounts throughout this episode, and your support of our sponsors means that we can keep bringing new episodes to you. So here are Paul, Matt, and Wade with an episode that is sure to make you look at your own supplement shelf a little differently.
SPEAKER_03Well, as you heard from Penny's introduction, I got two very cool guys in the house today. Matt, great to see you. Wade, welcome back, you guys. It's been, we figured six months. Glad to have you back at the rainbow.
SPEAKER_01Always a pleasure to be here.
SPEAKER_03Love being at the rainbow. We had a great morning, didn't we?
SPEAKER_01We did.
SPEAKER_03We ate it, we smoked it, we lifted it, we sweated it, we froze it. And we stared at the scenery in the sunshine and had some goddamn good food and dessert.
SPEAKER_01Now we're drinking it.
Is maltodextrin in your electrolyte drink?
SPEAKER_03Now we're drinking your new electrolytes, which are quite amazingly flavorful.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we can start with that. You know, it took us two years to build this product. The formula we should we can get into is uh actually the easier part. We spent a long time innovating on flavor. So here's a bit of a lesson on flavoring. So there's machines, you can put something in it, and it's kind of like an HPLC machine, which most people probably don't know what it means, but it can pick up the signatures of a flavor. Now, most companies, and we're not gonna name names, but there was some big controversy with the big electrolyte brand about a year and a half, two years ago, where they weren't declaring maltodextrin. Oh, and they're using maltodextrin as the flavor carrier. Right. So we didn't want to do that. And that was almost impossible to find anybody that wanted to accommodate us.
SPEAKER_03Forgot the the what's the hitch on maltodextrinus from corn or something, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01It's a sugar. Yeah, I know that you know, and it and it will spike your blood sugar to some degree. Now, what we did is we tested fibers. So we're using a fiber as a flavor cure. So that was the first challenge. That took a while. The other thing we did here is innovated on sweeteners. So there's no stevia, no sugar alcohols. These are protein-based sweeteners.
SPEAKER_03It's got a different texture in your mouth, too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like there's a body to it.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's the potassium.
SPEAKER_03Oh, is that what's going on?
SPEAKER_01So let's get right into that. So I think another big lie scam, which you know we're here to expose, is the sodium to potassium ratio. Like 99.4% of Americans are overconsuming sodium and 98% are under consuming potassium. Now we're not here to demonize sodium. Obviously, sodium is important. But what really matters is your sodium to potassium ratio. And if you go back to the paleolytic men, they were consuming 11 grams, 11,000 milligrams of potassium a day through tubulars. And they were consuming about 700 milligrams of sodium. So now we've inverted that ratio from 16 to 1 to 1 to 3. And yeah, a lot of people will have hypertension. And again, we're not here to prescribe anything, but the first thing people should do if they have high blood pressure is try increasing their potassium. And a lot of times that will will fix it. And when your sodium to potassium ratio is too high or on the sodium side, it's you're gonna get hyper, you're gonna get higher blood pressure.
SPEAKER_03That's a big issue. But the the other thing is that the sodium the the salt most people eat is sodium chloride, which is really poisonous to the body. It's it's got all the minerals extracted out of it. And from my research, 98% of all 97 to 98% of all the salt used in the world is for manufacturing purposes. So the salt companies extract all the minerals out, sell it to you through health food stores like GNC and all these other places. But then they put the white salt on your table that everybody is afraid of because of the medical system, not realizing that that's actually what raises blood pressure. It's not actually salt, like sea salt.
SPEAKER_01Well, again, I would I would argue that the sodium is the main culprit, but I think we're aligned that the trace minerals, which we've included, are very powerful.
BiOptimizers’ bio-lab recently topped the 80,000 mark in experiments
SPEAKER_01And you know, we have the biolab where we just we do thousands and thousands of experiments a year.
SPEAKER_07I think you just you just crossed over 80,000 experiments. Correct. Right.
SPEAKER_01We've done 80,000 experiments since we've opened the biolab. And keep in mind, every experiment, you have to buy raw materials. Like every experiment is an investment, both in raw materials and labor, plus, you need the right equipment. So yeah, I don't, you know, to toot our own horn here for a second, I don't think there's a single supplement company in the world that is doing research like we are, especially on combinations and cofactors. But back to trace minerals, uh, what we found again in the lab is that you will increase bioaccessibility with trace minerals. It'll help drive more minerals in the cells. And back to potassium. Potassium is really the molecule of hydration. It's driving water in the cell. And when your sodium potassium ratio is off, it's gonna pull water out of the cell into your extra, you know, outside the extracellular. Exactly. So we just think that the ratio is off and and back to the the body that it has, when you have a potassium-rich flav uh electrolyte, you it just gives the body more the water more body, which you're picking up on.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's it's got a mouthfeel, it's uh almost foody. Like uh takes it to a different dimension.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and you know, but I I was ketogenic for almost 30 years, and I used to drink a gallon of water a day, and I was completely dehydrated. Like I'd go to the bathroom all day, like I was just not holding on to the water, and then finally a coach of mine said, like, you need potassium. And as soon as I that's that was my first clue. And when I started ingesting more potassium, I was, you know, my muscles got fuller, I looked better, and I stopped going to the bathroom 20 times a day.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we we were talking about that a little bit in the sauna. You know, one of the issues that I've seen over and over again is that people come to me drinking lots of water, but they have all the indicators of dehydration. And one of the things that we found, and I encourage all my clients, patients, and students to do it is do a pH test on the water. Because even water coming out of filtration systems and reverse osmo reverse osmosis filters, we found it frequently to be acidic. Um, so like it's real common to see a pH of 5.4 to 5.9 uh out of a water filter, water filter system. And people are so they're drinking this acidic water and they don't realize that. And so the body's trying to pee it off because it's a stressor to the body. And um I think then of course people you know not drinking mineral and I'd uh adequate having adequate minerals in the water, which is why in my book, How to Eat, Move, and Be Healthy, I make a recommendation for at least 300 uh total dissolved, 300 300 parts per million total dissolved solids. Because based on my research, that turned out to be the overall best for the body. Um, sometimes more is better. I like more myself. I find a you know, even 1200 parts per million is fine. There's a I don't know if you guys are aware, but there's a famous spring here in Carlsbed called Carlsbed Spring. There was a healing center, it might still be there. But their water is 1200 parts per million and it tastes lovely. It's got a great body to it, good stuff. But I think if people don't understand water and pH and minerals, um they can be doing their best thinking they're doing something that's healthy, but they're actually putting a tremendous amount of stress on their body, their kidneys, and the whole cellular system.
SPEAKER_01Wade's a water expert, so want to chime in.
SPEAKER_07Well,
Wade’s concussion theory.
SPEAKER_07I spent about 20 years researching, testing water, listening to every water thing you could imagine, and to collaborate with what you were just saying. So many things were acidic. And then, of course, there's the behaviors. So if you're an athlete, you're sweating more. If you're pounding sugar and processed foods, then now you're throwing off your ratios more. And then I don't know, I have this theory, and it's a theory, I want to be clear about that. But if you think about the athletic world and how it's evolved, and we all remember the big commercial around Gatorade and all that, like you know, it was developed by the Florida State University for second half performance, which would work, but it tasted terrible. You know, so no one's gonna drink it. And then it got commercialized into a beverage, which really kicked off the athletic beverage trend. So you go into any gas station, even today, and you see a beautiful array of brightly colored bottles, attractive marketing, and flavorful, you know, concoctions of every different rhyme and reason. And these are multi-billion dollar brands that spend a lot of money and time and advertising and they're marketed to you, everything. And yet we see an increase in concussions. Now, part of it is okay, we can test for it more often. But it seems to me like kids today seem to get concussed more. And I have a theory and I'd like to get your opinion on it. I'm already interested. Is that the water is actually sitting extracellular, not intracellular. And that's not clearing out the wastes, and it's also changing the osmotic pressure. I learned from Patrick Flanagan years ago. He was the first person that created a microhydrant, which was a, you know, a chemical concoction that lowered the osmotic pressure of the molecule. And he suggested that the cell operates around 80 dynes and that most beverages people were consuming were in excess of that, you know, reverse osmosis, water, and et cetera, all these things that, you know, people are putting in time, effort, and energy for filtration, or they're drinking what they feel is a good beverage, but he said it's sitting outside the cell. And he had a way of reducing osmotic pressure so it could get into the cell easier. And then I was led to um Dr. Horst Filzer, and he explained he was the first vascular surgeon. So he knew a lot about what was going on. He was the put the first stent in the as a vascular surgeon. He was part of the first team that put a stent in the body. And he got into that whole aspect of research and he talked about aquaporens and electromagnetic frequencies, can close these down, mineralization, toxicity, chemical chemicals. And then if you look at what the general person is doing today versus what they might have been doing even 60, 70 years ago, which is what they're consuming for beverages. So I think people are conscientious about consuming beverages and being hydrated, but what they're actually consuming is not delivering on the promise that all of these billions of dollars of companies have been spending. So we were on a mission to see if we could figure out this equation. And we've been, you know, fans of minerals and how they work in the body. And, you know, we just said, well, let's get a lab team and see if we can figure this out.
SPEAKER_03So you never got to the concussion theory, though.
SPEAKER_07Well, I believe that the outside of the cell is at a higher pressure, and the inside of the cell is at a lower pressure, and therefore it's causing a much more jarring effect.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's almost like the cells are already under pressure.
SPEAKER_07That's right. And so the electrical transmission gets disrupted.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's true.
SPEAKER_07I don't know. It's a theory I have.
SPEAKER_01Well, also an interesting one. Potassium is the primary regulator of osmotics, of osmotics under pressure.
SPEAKER_03Well, the other thing, too, is if if the if the cell is not adequately hydrated, and if you have trace mineral and mineral imbalances, one of the things that I know as a therapist is people's fascia becomes less flexible and less and the membranes become less permeable. So people are more brittle. Athletes are just more brittle in that.
SPEAKER_07You see that with um, you know, anabolics usage, where you know, it increases cellular hydration. That's one of the reasons why they get the increased strength because your osmotic pressure is higher, but you also see uh um connective tissue injuries injuries much more frequently. And I don't it's probably pulling stuff like minerals out of the connective tissue and causing that brittleness. And you see so many athletes, they get injured, they go off the drug testing protocol, they load up on you know whatever they're they need to do or feel they need to do to get back into competition, and they come back and they re-injure themselves in very short order because they're not fully recovered. And yeah, they they've got what looks like recovery from maybe an x-ray or from you know MRIs or whatever, but they're not really in a healthy state and bang, they blow something even worse the next time around.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, one of the components of that, um, the reasons for that, because I've been through this over and over again, as you can imagine, in my career, is that there's, and this is what I tried to address in my Czech education system, we don't have a bridge from rehab to high performance, uh, you know, to going from ACL repair and physical therapy to football field or physical therapy room to tennis court or motocross bike. And so, you know, in one minute you're rehabbing your rotator cuff, your ACL or your back or your neck, and you're working with stretch cords and pink dumbbells. And the next thing, you know, you're getting the shit beat out of you by somebody tackling on your field, but you have not had a proper transition through what I classify as the essential structure of flexibility, stability. You got to work on flexibility and stability, then you got to work on strength. Only then should you work on power. The flexibility and stability phase is also the posture correction and getting the motor system balanced. So I give you an example. I had to work with uh uh one of the San Diego chargers uh a long time ago. But when he came to me, it was the fifth time he'd had his knee operated on for the same injury. And so I teased him, I said, What are they doing, amortizing your bank payments by now? You know? Like, but here's a case where the guy would go through surgery, they would go or do it, do an orthoscopic surgery, they'd clean him out. They always said the same thing. Oh, you've got uh junk in your knee, you've got cartilage breaking off in your knee, and and you know, he was having all these classic knee locking and all this stuff. But he had zero core, you know, was eating crap, had no core function, no spinal stabilization. And this is a formula for a disaster because if you're if you can't activate your core, then you can't stabilize your extremities. So when you get guys playing professional football or baseball or any high-level sports, that's just a formula for a disaster. But the point I'm making is that there wasn't any system for how do you get from a rehab table back to professional sports in an intelligent, structured way. And rehab professionals like physical therapists don't get trained on that. You know, you're lucky if you can find a physical therapist that knows what to do in a gym. And personal trainers have almost no knowledge of the science of rehabilitation. So they get this football player I'm talking about, walks through the door. Next thing you know, they're doing God knows what, you know, plyometrics and you know CrossFit and God else, what else? But the this guy's got still got unresolved scar tissue in his knee and trigger points and his vasous medialysis, and probably firing. And I can give you a laundry book list of things, and it could be a road, you know, all this stuff. So really what I brought the rehab world was how do you take these people on a rainbow bridge? Say, okay, here's where you're at now, this is what we got to accomplish. Okay, now you've met these markers, this is what we got to accomplish, and now you're ready to go back to sports. The problem is that when I would work for professional sports teams, is they would say, Look, what you're talking about here's is a three-month process. We need this guy on the field right now. I say, good, I got an option for you. You can put him back in the game and ruin him, or I can spend three months and give you an athlete that'll last you for, you know, three to five or ten more years. Guess what they chose? We'll take him now. I'm like, well, you know, you got to remember this guy's actually a human being. He's got a family. He, you know, he wants to make a living too. And, you know, so I was always dealing with general managers that treated these guys like like cattle, but they don't want to actually, and I'm not speaking, I can't say for all teams, I can just say for the many I work for, and not all of them were that way. Um, but plenty of them are that way. So it's a it's a it's a real problematic area because we have a lack of understanding of water, we have a lack of understanding of nutrition, we have a lack of understanding of conditioning science, we have a lack of transfer of rehab knowledge to exercise professionals, we have a lack of conditioning knowledge and rehab professionals. And God, I've been at this for so long, and it still is better, worse than it's ever been. And I'm like, Jesus, what does it take to kind of wake people up?
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SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, and minerals are a big deal. I mean, again, cofactors is something people have heard of, but they're a really big deal, and that's what we've really proven to ourselves in the lab as we build these formulas. So this is like a full spectrum mineral blend. We got, of course, chloride, which is in you know, salt, but potassium, sodium, calcium, we got methylated vitamin Bs. We have an optimized zinc to copper ratio, eight to one. So you know, eight to one or fifteen to one is the is the range. And then we got molybdenum, which is a cofactor for MSM. So we got 300 milligrams of MSM, which is which gives your body sulfur. Then we got chromium. So manganese, I mean, it's a full. Yeah and and then the tracement. So everything's that you your body really needs is in there.
SPEAKER_03One of the things that I think would help people if they would eat more of it is seaweed. I think it brings a lot of um great cofactors and sea nutrition into the body. I I I think you know, I can't remember the company that we use, but it's it's uh really nice. They got wasabi flavor and the kids love it too.
SPEAKER_07Oh the snacks. Yeah, yeah. Seaweed snacks. Yeah, those are those are lovely. Yeah. Our you know, our mentor, uh Dr. O'Brien, um God rest his soul, he he transformed Matt and I's uh perspective on nutrition and was the foundational reasons why we started you know biotimizers back in the day. He was profoundly into seaweed uh Dulce particularly, he loved that as a carrying agent for a lot of his formulas and stuff, and he said, Yeah, it's it's unequivocal in its ability to deliver that. And now today, um you know, with the lab that we have and the combination of some you know some very bright PhDs combined with uh AI to be able to detect what potential combinations and what ratios by just crunching massive amounts of data. And then it's still not perfect, but then you get down to the you know Matt's favorite part. So for people that don't know, Matt, Matt is an he he's loves running experiments on everything. He he just A B tests everything. I've known Matt for 25 years, and there is not a conversation that we've had that or an experience that we have that I have not seen Matt running a test. So he'll say, Yeah, I've done 20,000 plus split tests, I've done 80,000 experiences left. But that is just a small sample of Matt and his nature to like, well, is it this one or this one? Is it this or that? Like it's it's like there's never a single decision with Matt. It's it's is it a this or a that? And then the other drive under it, which I think we all share in common, is there's always a next level. Yeah. Right? There's like, and you know, and so our
“Matt loves running experiments on everything.”
SPEAKER_07ethos, and I think it's one of the ethos that I think drives excellence and drives discovery and drives humanity, is to you build a base of what you believe is more or less correct. And then you continue to stress test that under a variety of experimentations, and then you rediscover and make refinements and continue to make refinements and and make refinements. And so that's something we've we've carried into the ethos of our lives and our business and and also with the people who purchase our products. They're those types of people. And and those types of people are not like the general population. General population, yeah, I just buy the marketing or so-and-so said this. They're not actually running the test on themselves. So I always say to people, look, go take all of the top products in uh in any field. Go test them, go go experiment for yourself because there's variances even with your own individual biochemistry that is significant enough to completely um discount one product over another, even if they are great formulations. And you know, it's why we do money-back guarantees with everything, because we don't we want more people to keep running experiments on themselves, yeah. And keep testing that and then share what their results are with their the people they care about. And over time, it builds up kind of a collective momentum and a and a general awareness that not only spawns the advancement, you know, at the at the moment, but how many people, we were talking about this earlier, how many Czechies have great businesses that they've developed or break new discoveries in in the field of health and exercise. Tons and tons of those stories because you know, they've been around you long enough. They've played with all of the ideas, they've learned the foundational principles, and they keep running the tests.
SPEAKER_03They're taught to evaluate. Yeah, that's the whole system's based on evaluation. Exactly. My my my saying is if you're not assessing, you are guessing. And who should be paying for that?
SPEAKER_01And as we had alluded to, uh running experiments, my favorite thing in the world, because again, I don't want to be guessing. So just setting up these experiments gets us closer to the ultimate truth, which you know, there is no ultimate truth, we just keep going towards it. Speaking of next level, super excited to announce. We have Mag Breakthrough Advance coming out very soon. Might be out by the time the podcast drops.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, when you guys told me that I was shocked because you've already got the most advanced magnesium supplement out there. You got seven different types of magnesium. I mean, on it goes.
SPEAKER_01I was going to get into why this is the next level.
SPEAKER_03What are you guys doing over there?
SPEAKER_07Again, it goes back to this thing. You never rest on your laurels. Yeah. You keep, you know, that's the whole scientific method, is that you're always trying to disprove what you've currently done on the idea to make something better, otherwise, we still all be in caves.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And magnesium breakthrough has become one of the top-selling magnesiums in the world. And yeah, I'm just hardwired to pursue whatever the next level is. I think you know, all three of us are, and a lot of people listening are as well. So we did 5,578 experiments over a couple of years. We tested 62 forms of magnesiums. I didn't know it was 62 forms. Well, it wasn't 62 forms, but 62 sources. And that's something I really want to highlight. You know, you can look at two labels and it says the same thing. But in our experiments, we see that not every ingredient is made the same.
SPEAKER_03We, you know, I know that's a real issue with it.
SPEAKER_01It's a big issue with all things. Like we were testing vitamin Ks, for an example. Um, we tested nine and only two registered as vitamin K. The other ones like they're they're not vitamin K. We don't even know what it is, right? And that's true for most things.
SPEAKER_03Sounds like the ingredients and vaccines. No one even knows what they are, right?
SPEAKER_01No, and and we've tested so many suppliers and and raw ingredients. And as a general rule, I would say 80% don't even make it past the first phase of is this good or not? Yeah. But here's here's the big breakthrough with magnesium breakthrough advance. We have double the bioaccessibility. Now, what does that mean? It's different than bioavailability. Bioaccessibility is can can it get through the intestinal barrier? Can it get into the bloodstream? So that's really what we were optimizing for. It is 10 mags versus seven. It's 10% more elemental magnesium, but the breakthrough is the bioaccessibility. And you know, I I ran out about a week ago of my my own personal supply. And I'll tell you like one, it hits harder. And the my favorite part about it is when I wake up in the morning, I'm feeling way more refreshed and rejuvenated. I mean, it is palpable, and that's been the feature.
SPEAKER_03I was wondering what you were gonna say there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so um, there's other products for that.
SPEAKER_03I thought it was a man statement here.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, no, it's it's been it's it's a an experiential difference, and we're really excited to be launching it. So it's coming very soon.
SPEAKER_03What is your next product? I'm very curious to hear about it. And then I got a bunch of things I want to ask you guys about.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the next products coming out is zinc. So we got seven forms of zinc plus all the critical cofactors.
SPEAKER_03So that's another one that people have a hard time absorbing because of the quality of it. Most supplements that are zinc supplements are just total trash from all the research I've seen.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, again, we tested every form of zinc we could get our hands on, different suppliers, and then the cofactors to maximize the bioaccessibility.
SPEAKER_03So can I ask you a quick question on that? One of the old folk remedies is to grind eggshells up into powder and supplement your diet with that for zinc. Is that viable?
SPEAKER_01Don't know. Because that's one of the I know, you know, put pumpkin seeds, oysters are you know, pretty well known, well recommended sources of zinc, but I've I've never heard that.
SPEAKER_03So um, you know, I've got a bunch of books on folk medicine. I've read um St. Hildegard of Bingon's book on nutrition, which is freaking wild. If you haven't read that, it's very good. It's like you know, she was 11th century. When you see the stuff she says, like she gives specific recommendations for different types of meat. Like if you have certain illnesses or diseases, eat lamb. If you have this, eat goat. I mean, it's like it's mind-boggling what this woman was able to come up with. And what's really cool is if you look at her art, it's full of magic mushrooms. So she was definitely tapped into the nature's kitchen. But anyhow, tell me about your zinc. Sorry for the sidetrack there.
SPEAKER_01No, that's the gist of it. Um, coming out soon, and really excited. And we also have a kid's gummy of a magnesium breakthrough gummy coming out.
SPEAKER_03So oh, fantastic. But let's talk about something about zinc. Most people wouldn't recognize that they needed zinc. Um, one of the telltale signs I know of from my clinical work is if you get check marks in your fingernails. So uh if you're not familiar with what that is, like you can see my fingernails are very clean looking. The nail beds are very the nails very smooth. Check marks are little white spots. That's a classic indicator of zinc deficiency, and I see it probably in eight out of 10 people. What are some of the indicators of that a person might recognize to say, maybe I need this by optimizer product?
SPEAKER_01Well, low testosterone is definitely one of them. Which, you know, again, there's this, I'm not saying it's gonna, you know, forex your testosterone, but if you're deficient and you're a man, your testosterone will be lower.
Do you have a zinc deficiency?
SPEAKER_01So that's definitely a a key one.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Well, yeah, so I know I know it it zinc has a lot to do with the health of nails and connective tissue and hair.
SPEAKER_07Immune system response. Uh, years ago, I was uh I think the fellow, the doctor was a Gunderson, and uh I attended some lectures with him, and he was using zinc for better results. He was an immune doctor and using zinc for immunity function. And of course, we all know that we've gone through a very interesting time recently, and I think a lot of people's immune systems may be compromised. And you know, this is where you got to get out of the realm of guessing. You get a qualified naturopathic doctor, you look at your genetic pathways, you look at your methylation, you look at your dietary recommendations. So we wrote a book, we talked about it here a couple of years ago.
SPEAKER_03Your your Bible with the spoon and everything. Yeah. And we we can't. What's it called though, just for everyone to know? Ultimate Nutrition Bible. Yeah, and it is a Bible. Yeah, and it's a reference guide. It's a reference guide. And I think here it's it's uh I think it has a shelf by itself. What's because of the size of it?
SPEAKER_07It's it's yeah, you can serve as a weight. But the idea was to give people um as close to an unbiased reference of the different dietary philosophies. But what every dietary philosophy has strengths and weaknesses, and then there's the individual within that dietary philosophy, and then there's the environment which that person finds them in, which is not static. Right. We are dynamic species going through different phases of life, stress response, environment. Like, for example, I'll give you an example. In the last few months, I was living in Venice Beach, California, and then I moved over to Sedona, Arizona, and then I'm up in the for the summer in Vancouver. And the variance in when light comes in the morning to night, the amount of electromagnetic pollution, yeah, I was on the ground in two of those places. Now I'm up high.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_07One I'm close by the water, one I'm in the desert in a mountain, the other one I'm by the water, but I'm in a high electrical grid. Yeah, all of those are influential factors. And you know, last night when I came back to LA and stayed at the hotel, I was like, whoa, I I hadn't gotten used to this environment. There was just like a you know half a mile from where I used to live. And I had a very difficult time sleeping last night.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And I was like, oh, holy cow. I I had adapted to that environment and had built a sleep protocol around it, which I didn't need when I was in Sedona. Right. And then all of a sudden I was last night, I was like, oh, I don't have my Los Angeles sleep protocol here. And boy, I'm sitting here at three o'clock in the morning awake going, yeah, whoops, made a mistake there. So you you have to be able to um understand what how your body works, what environments it's subjected to. And, you know, one of the things I've always respected when my conversations with you is the clarity you have about what's right for Paul and what's not right for Paul, and how you mitigate stressful situations at different times of the day or the year, or the, you know, whether you got a bunch of people here or you got what's going on's going on.
SPEAKER_03You know, I'm I'm always telling my students, you gotta, you gotta constantly, you know, a lot of people, it takes them a bit of commitment to be able to actually have a real conversation with their soul or the inner self. Um, but that's the ultimate source of guidance because that that consciousness includes every cellular system in your body, right to the cell. Um you know, I could go off on a soul description, but like I can ask my soul anything and it'll say, you don't need that, you need this. You know, I can stand in front of a row of vitamins or supplements and say, okay, do we need any of these right now? And it'll say yes, that right there. Uh take that um magnesium breakthrough. How many should I take? One is all you need. Um, and then tomorrow it might say no and it might say no for two weeks, and all of a sudden it says yes.
SPEAKER_09Yep.
SPEAKER_03So every day for me, I just have a sort of a toolkit, and none all of my stuff is whole food-based, except some of the things like magnesium breakthrough. That's you know, that's not a food-based product, so it's it's a mineral product. But but what I tell people, look, if you can't connect with your soul, muscle test, because that's very reliable.
SPEAKER_07We we've been using muscle testing for a couple of decades now, and muscle testing is an interesting topic in itself. I had trouble testing and I worked with a a chiropractor who's very advanced in his capability. He's running like tens of thousands of tests every week, and he's we call him the wizard, fantastic guy. And he helped me learn the process of feeling the truth. Yes, that's it's it's it's really what it is, which is really presence or not presence of consciousness. It either it is there or it isn't. It's not a yes, no, it's it's a yes or a not yes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And that was, you know, super valuable for me. We built a our early designs were built on muscle testing. We still use it today from everything from hiring to you know, processes to what products we're going to. And then we kind of work in tandem with science. So there's science and then there's the intuitive testing.
SPEAKER_03I get into that with you. I'm glad you mentioned that. It's one of my things to talk about. But, you know, so the point I'm making is I I say to people, look, I've been monitoring my body very, very carefully for my whole life because I was a competitive, serious athlete
Can you really feel the truth?
SPEAKER_03and I wanted to fucking win. So that that means you got to pay attention to everything. If you're not sleeping well, that's a death sentence. If you're um in stressful environments, you know, I used to say no athlete leaves their life at the door when they come in the gym. You don't leave your divorce, you don't leave your financial problems, you don't leave your mom and dad's issues at the door. It all comes in with you. But the the example I'll often give my students is I'll say, how many of you eat pretty much the same meal plan consistently? Almost all their hands go up. I'll say, well, here's an example of why I don't do that. If I do deadlifts and I do a good solid workout, I have a hunger for animal flesh that is significant and it lasts two to three days. But if I have two days off, I can eat vegetarian and I feel a lot better than if I eat meat. If I eat meat when my body doesn't want it, the first thing I notice is I'm cognitively impaired. It's as though my head fell into my digestive system and it doesn't, I don't have the free energy to do deep thinking. And so, like Madison, my chef, can tell you like, if she says, What do you want for lunch? I'll say, um, I've got to do a podcast this afternoon, so I need to have my brain working. So let's just keep it to some tuna salad and a little bit of salad. Tuna salad, like the flesh and the salad, because I need to keep my brain on. But I so I would tell my patients and my patients and my clients and my students, well, okay, so what I want you to do is I want you to listen to your body and see what smells are attractive to you. Open a jar and smell it. If you've got uh turmeric or if you've got cinnamon or you've got uh you know, teas, smell everything. And if it's if the smell is attractive to you, that's your body saying yes. Uh for example, when I and at night when I want to relax after a day's work, I probably have 15, 12 or 15 different strains of marijuana. I like the variety and I'm an alchemist. So I just smell them. And I when the one that smells and inviting and my body saying yes, I vaporize that one and it works every fucking time. But if you give me one and I smell it and it makes my brain racy or it makes my body feel lethargic or any kind of symptom that I don't want, you know, the most people don't realize the olfactory nerve is the only monosynaptic connection in the entire brain system. You only have one connection between your nose and your brain cells. All the other cranial nerves have multiple, multiple interconnections before you get to the brain. So, what does that tell you? Smell is extremely important to survival. So, you know, my only point is that we we have these instinctual guidance systems. I mean, how many people actually, when they're thirsty, mistake that for I need more soda pop juice, Gatorade, or Red Bull or coffee instead of drinking water?
SPEAKER_07Well, you kind of allude to something I think that we're all subject to. So we forget that we have millions of years of evolution built into our system. I I saw uh heard a scientist the other day saying that there's something somewhere around seven million different uh self-monitoring elements within the human body alone. And yet we were listening to a podcast of yours earlier, Tay, about mind control and you know, persuasion is about overriding sometimes our innate senses uh through identity manipulation, yeah, and then making this putting you kind of in a binary choice by identity. If you are this identity, then you make this choice, which is the whole cultification of society. It's a it's a big aspect of things, and you know, there's good aspects to that. And, you know, if you're in the right field, okay, I'm a Czechie, I'm hanging out, I'm I'm following the Eat How to Eat, Move, and Be Healthy program. And there is a whole indoctrination and going along with that as well. So there are positive and negative indoctrination. Well, it's you know one would say that, but it it's its own form of influence. But the difference is you're not projecting the image of excellence, you're actually living excellence.
SPEAKER_03I do the best I can. I mean, I don't want, I don't, I feel a bit uh shy with the word excellence. I I believe in Carl Jung's words, it's not good to be perfect, but it is important to be well-rounded. And that's what I seek is to be well-rounded.
SPEAKER_07Well, for me, I I remember when I first took my undergraduate degree in university, I was thoroughly disappointed with the education I got there, in that it was a bunch of compartmentalized ideas and concepts and stuff. And when I left university, I said, I'm just gonna go seek people who are producing the results I want and learn what they've learned because exactly how I did it. It's probably a lot better, and I'm gonna. Cut the learning curve. And if you think back through history, it's always been mentor, disciple. It has. You know, and it's the story of every hero's journey. You know, you need to learn the lessons from the master in order to shortcut a lot of what could even be fatal errors. And in today's world, it's easier to get caught up in that than not. And so, you know, a little bit of mindfulness and cultivating that intuitive awareness is like, is this right for my body? Is this what I should be listening to? Is this the pathway I want to go down? And I think that's where having a what some people would call a spiritual-based philosophy as a foundational aspect of investigation now becomes a massively valuable tool as you're applying science, as you're applying experimentation or testing.
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SPEAKER_02I can give you eggs, chicken, uh, beef, nuts, almost all nuts, um, rice, um coffee.
SPEAKER_03Basically, all you gotta do, the the thing I say to people, if you want to know where to start, start with what you eat the most of. That's where you're probably gonna hit pay dirt. But the the the the the if you go on the four-day rotation diet, then what happens is people will come back to me and say, Oh my god, I I got chicken on my four-day rotation, and I just went to my second rotation and I got a terrible headache. And I've, you know, I might have had they can give me a long list of symptoms, and they're like, Do you think that's coming from the chicken? I said, Well, guess what? You're gonna have it again in four days. And sure enough, it hits them again. And they're like, I've been eating chicken for 30 years and I've I I I never had any problem. Why am I having a problem now? Because your immune system is so exhausted it doesn't have any responsive power. If you overstress the immune system, it will just shut down and it'll it goes from lower priority to higher priority items. In other words, if you got to kill cancer or fight off this chicken, it's gonna go after the cancer cell and it's gonna ignore the chicken, but the can't the chicken's still stressing your entire physiology. And so you'll find that when people follow that four-day rotation diet, all of a sudden they start really having strong reactions to um foods that they're eating all the time and they don't think they were having any reactions to. Uh, so I think it's important to keep these concepts in mind. And, you know, having rehabbed countless people, I can tell you that small things turn out to be big things. I mean, people think, you know, like look what we've talked about already. We've talked about zinc, we've talked about magnesium, we've talked about hydration, we've talked about rotating foods, we've talked about paying attention to what you put into your body. Now, if most people just got the things we've talked about right, their chances of not getting a disease would go through the roof. They would be much more bulletproof.
SPEAKER_01I asked the multiple LLMs, you know, AI systems, said if if everybody just did the basics, yeah, the fundamentals, what would be the average lifespan? And they all said around 95, which is interesting. Yeah, you know, we're just talking about the basics, no crazy biohacking, no stem cells, no peptides, just good sleep, good exercise, good
How to make your health more bulletproof.
SPEAKER_01nutrition. And I think most people aren't doing the basics or they're not doing them correctly.
SPEAKER_03So well, since you mentioned that, here's a side step for you. I had a curious idea I wanted to ask AI. So I went to Claude Anthropic and I said, if we took everything out of the Bible and just put the golden rule in and just reprinted it over and over again on every page, what would the short and long-term effect of that be? And Claude thought about it for a minute and came back and said, Well, initially there would be a lot of a resistance, people would be very upset, but in the long run, there'd be a lot less wars and people would get along with each other a lot better. Well, there you go. AI's got some use. Um, before we get off the zinc issue, are are there any symptoms of getting too much zinc? Because some from my research, this is kind of a confusing area. And I'd like to hear either of you share your thoughts on this. For example, both of you would know from the Joe Weeder days, you eat a Joe Weeder metapack, mega pack. Remember those things for bodybuilding?
SPEAKER_07Right.
SPEAKER_03And you're pissing dark orange and you can smell it like crazy for two days, right?
SPEAKER_01Mostly bad vitamin Bs.
SPEAKER_03Right. But the the point, though, that I'm pointing at here is I've seen nutrition experts and health experts say that you don't have to worry about eating too much of anything because your body will just excrete it. And that's why I brought up the weeder pack, because it's an obvious one. But then, but then there's lots of research saying, no, you can get too much in you, and you can get this happening, and you get too much of this, and too much copper, and this breaks down, too much of this, and that system doesn't work.
SPEAKER_01That's that's a big deal. And when when we formulate, we're super mindful of that. So, for an example, like the amount of manganese in the electrolyte, we said, well, what if somebody drinks this three times a day?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We don't want them to get into a toxic zone, right? So we adjusted the amount in case somebody drinks three a day. And it really depends on you know, nutrient by nutrient. Sodium, for an example, your body has a very tight band of 135 to 145 milliboles.
SPEAKER_03So when you're consuming your blood, or what's that measurement mean?
SPEAKER_01Yes, it means that's how much sodium your your body maintains in your blood.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Now, when you consume way more than that, which most people are, your body's gonna excrete it. But again, there can be consequences when you're you're too high. Um, zinc is one of those things you need to be mindful of. And keep in mind, you know, we're using that eight to one ratio because if you consume too much zinc, you will deplete your copper. If you deplete, if you consume too much copper and that ratio's off, you're gonna deplete zinc. So we went with the eight to one ratio um to really try to keep people optimized. So we're very mindful of that every anytime we put anything in there.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so I'm gonna ask you to narrow your answer down to something more specific. And I'll preface it by saying we survived for over two million years in the wild, knowing none of this. Now, of course, we weren't eating the kind of shit we are now, but there were times that we couldn't get a lot of foods. We had to go without flesh fur and fat. We have, you know, if you read The Fat of the Land by Villemar Stephenson, he talks about fat starvation, how Indians all they could get was rodents and rabbits, and they could eat them till they were full, but they would go psychologically crazy. And it was a real dangerous thing to have not enough fat because people literally lost it. Um so there's obviously uh a range of adaptation to our natural environment and the resources in there, and then you you you'd have seasonal foods. So, you know, if you're in if you're a native and there's blueberries everywhere, you eat the shit out of them because they're going to be gone soon. And in the winter, you're eating lots of fish and meat because that's all you get. Plants don't grow on ice. So our body obviously has to have checks and balances for um excesses and deficiencies, and and you know, that's why we store nutrition and bones and fat and and tissues. But uh in your opinion, how do we where where are we at with what the body can dissipate as excesses and recover as deficiencies? Do you have a way of putting a lane on that anyhow?
SPEAKER_01Again, just there's some nutrients, enzymes, there's no limit. Magnesium, you can ingest way more than the RDA. And in my in our opinion, our experience, you hit another level of nervous system regulation. In other words, you feel Zen. Wade and I both experienced that. Potassium, very difficult. I mean, again, paleolytic man, 11 grams a day. So there's certain things you can really overconsume. And as you mentioned, you know, if you're deficient, and most humans throughout all history have been deficient or suboptimal on most nutrients, right? I mean, that's just it's not like today where you can get blood tests.
SPEAKER_03We're not all living in the Garden of Eden.
SPEAKER_01Spectra cell. And, you know, as you mentioned, there was times of famine, or you're in the winter in Canada, uh, back a thousand years ago. I mean, you might not eat for a couple weeks, right? Yeah. But you know, the body is resilient, but are you optimized? Yeah, you're not optimized. Yeah. And you know, we talked a little bit about sports performance, like like even a 1% drop in dehydration affects your brain. Affects your brain about 18% um slow reaction time, but 27% loss in attention span. I mean, if you're an athlete, that's the difference between winning or losing, right? And that's true.
SPEAKER_03Or staying married or not, or not. Because there's Batman Gilage says there's significant psychological effects to dehydration of the brain. And he says the same thing. 1% dehydration of the brain will cause significant psychological disorders, for which very few, if any, doctors will ever look for.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I think you know, we know we're talking about just living in an abundant world. Um, you know, it's a blessing to be able to even think about being optimized. You know, this is kind of a newish concept that even 30, 40 years ago didn't really exist. And I like to think that, you know, biooptimizers, which is all about biological optimization, is doing its part.
SPEAKER_07I have been fascinated about that exact topic my whole life. Okay, because it was like sports are kind of like how do I maximize disease is like minimization of you know what causes disease, which is where all the RDA stuff came out of like what's the minimal amount to stop you from having rickets or something? Yeah. Well, what's the optimal amount?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And that led me to um a you know, a very obtuse book called Orthomolecular Psychiatry by Dr. Linus Pauling, Dr. Abram Hoffer, and Dr. David Hawkins. Yeah. And they turned the uh psychiatric world upside down by treating advanced states of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses using super dosages of vitamins and minerals to rebalance the brain. And I don't even know how they did this in 1971. When I read through that book, I incorporated a concept that I think is valuable. I give it away. We have the 84-day course and the video, you can Google it or whatever, I call it the bucket theory of nutrition. And so if you use this in conjunction with a barrage of tests, you know, with your naturopathic doctor or qualified person that can say, what are you missing? What is your methylation? What is your genetics? What is your diet? Okay, now you have your base and what you can get. What they did is they would increase the doses. The most famous is vitamin C flush. And you you keep increasing the dosage until you break the GI barrier, and that's the maximum amount you can get you can handle. Matt and I went through this when we were experimenting in the first versions of magnesium. We take different dosages of magnesium until we were on the toilet. And I don't recommend it. It's a it was a painful. When it goes, it goes. Well, we well, you know, hey, we were
Wade’s bucket theory of nutrition.
SPEAKER_07hey, this is what we had to do. We were pioneers. Yeah. And and so I incorporate it as a concept in the 84-day course of okay, here you have a deficiency. You've established that you have a deficiency in a mineral, a vitamin, an essential fat acid, whatever it happens to be. Now, start taking that in divided dosages out the throughout the day to you either feel a physiological resistance, like I just can't do this anymore, or you break the GI barrier. Simultaneously, you can monitor and track where your levels are to determine how well you're absorbing that. So if you want to run the experiment for yourself, I think that's a great foundational philosophy. And the idea is, is your burn rate in life is like a hole in the bucket. And depending on what you're doing in life, that could be an increase versus a decrease. Now, you might have intuitively discovered that already. You know that if I'm in a certain environment, I got to keep these high and I got to keep those things low. Well, for an individual that's on the discovery path, if they want to shortchange that, monitor those elements. Fill up the bucket so that you have a full reserve of whatever vitamin, mineral, nutrient element. And then when you do go through periods of restriction or you don't have access to or higher stress, you have those reserves to draw down on. And what I have noticed with our students for you know over decades, if they follow that, they start to cultivate that intuitive awareness when they've had enough of this, or they like, oh man, I really got to go get some mangoes or something. Like they, they, their intuitive drives and cravings seem to correlate directly with the nutrients that they require. Just like you go, and what does my soul say? Oh, I need one magnesium today, or I need this particular smoke that's going to be ripe for my brain. That'll be coming up. Well, that's just a highly refined element of uh years and years and decades and decades of that process. And I would say um all three of us probably not in a nutrient deficiency, and we're just constantly toggling to optimal.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think these are all very important concepts. And I think, you know, like people could say, oh, you know, Paul's weird, he does this soul stuff or whatever. And then they can say, Oh, muscle testing's not scientifically, you know, people make excuses for everything. But I think the the the first step is just being willing to pay attention, just simply have a willingness. Your body's not a machine, it's a psychophysical reality. It's as affected by your thoughts, feelings, and emotions as it is by the biochemistry. And your emotions have the greatest impact on the choices you make, in my observation. So um, you know, relationships can drive you to drink or they can make you sane and happy, right? Um but I think just having some level of commitment to having a loving relationship with your body and paying attention to, you know, why am I tired all the time? Or why is it that I get tired after I eat certain foods, or why is it that uh if I eat a handful of strawberries, I seem nervous and anxious, which would be an intolerance symptom, for example. Uh most people because of the sort of the mechanistic way we're educated about the body, it's you know, this does this. It's almost like they they we're treated like we're biological robots of some kind. People, and also most people's idea is, oh, if there's something wrong with you, you just go to a doctor or a therapist and they fix you. But that's like that's like saying, well, I'm not gonna check my oil until the engine burns out, and then I'll let my mechanic check it. I mean, it's just a it's just the wrong way to go if you want to not spend a lot of money on doctors, have a uh an uh, you know, an if you know, if you don't care about your agency in life, you don't care about your creativity and your um ability to really live, then fine, live that way. And this is what you get. Look at look at the news and look out the window in any city and you see what that looks like. But I think it's just so important to like love and respect the miracle of the human body enough to become a little bit of a lab scientist and and know that you're living in your laboratory. And and that's a classic concept of alchemy. You're in your lab.
SPEAKER_01When I were having dinner last night, and we were just talking about the downsides of smartphones and you know, modern technology. And I think one of the most important things that's occurred, which relates to this, is people are basically spending zero time with their default mode network.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, and your default mode network is when you're not doing anything, you're just hanging up by yourself, you're not on your phone, you're not watching TV, you're just sitting, and it's your sense of self. And that's where you tune in, right? It's a self, not self.
SPEAKER_03Like this table is not self. This is Paul, that's Wade. This is Paul, that's Math the the self not self is the function of an ego.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Right. And so that extends itself to what you eat and what you watch and what you drink and what you breathe. I mean, if you uh eat a bunch of plastic, it's not self. It doesn't work well, it's going to cause you problems. If you eat supplements that are not real, it'll cause you problems. You're eating not self. If you can't make self out of the ingredients that self relies upon, then you have not self. My only point is what you're saying is not only self, but it should be the main mechanism for identifying not self as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and just checking in. I mean, that's where you check in with yourself emotionally, spiritually, physically, or so, you know, but people bring their phones to the toilet, right? Oh my god, yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01There's zero self-time in most people's lives.
SPEAKER_03I was talking to Jason Christoph, who you were listening to the podcast with me, um, the who did the Planet Mind Control documentary, which is excellent, by the way. You look it up, Planet Mind Control. Um, he told me a statistic that blew my mind. The average person today checks their cell phone 200 times, once every something seconds. It was like, how in the world can you do anything? How could you be employed at a job doing that?
SPEAKER_01I mean, which by the way, pro tip I bought this Apple Watch for that reason. And I had a couple of friends tell me I bought this because I pick up my phone less. Because if somebody sends me a message, it'll pop up. So I'm not gonna grab my phone and get lost in the rabbit hole. It cut my pickup times in half.
SPEAKER_03Interesting. So I'd be careful though, because the electromagnetic field on that is running right through your heart meridian. And by the time I got to my second gong of Tai Chi, do you did I ever tell you that story?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I heard that on what your one of your recent podcasts. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I started noticing that I was getting a lot of pressure in my heart, and I couldn't tell where it was coming from. And one day, just by happenchance, I took my watch off, did my tai chi, and noticed that I had no pressure in my heart anymore. I thought I was getting weightlifters' heart at the time because I was doing a lot of heavy training. And then um I thought, well, that's interesting. And I put my watch back on after I finished my tai chi, and within about three minutes, I felt a tension like a tight glove climbing up my arm right into my chest, and my heart started to feel uh congested, would be the best way. And so I thought, ah, I took my watch off and then it reversed. And so from my studies of Chinese medicine, I knew the heart meridian runs right through the ring finger.
Feeling the sensation of a weightlifter’s/athlete’s heart.
SPEAKER_03And so I had studied Robert O. Becker's book, The Body Electric. So I knew about electric fields, and I, you know, I have a background in electronics, but I never really conceived that a tiny little circuit like that could produce enough of a field to disrupt my meridian system. And it does. And I've had many patients over the years with heart problems that were wearing watches and gold rings and necklaces right hanging right in front of their heart, which are all acting as antennas. I said, get rid of it all. And consistently, people have said, Oh, God, I feel so much better. I had no idea. Why aren't doctors telling me this? Well, so you know, doctors aren't really educated on this stuff, so be careful.
SPEAKER_01It's another tangent, but Wade and I went to a man's house that used to work for NASA, and he had a table full of crystal pendants, and he had a machine where you could measure your body's electricity.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And crystals are piezoelectrical, which means you know, when you touch the electrical charge, yeah. And we tested a bunch of them, and you could see the variance between crystal to crystal. Some of them, and I remember some of them felt kind of like agitating, some of them felt more calming. And um, our biolab is in in Bosnia, and they have these pyramids that they've bagdated the walls 30,000 years ago. There's two layers of wall, one's 30,000, the other one's 5,000. Anyways, they were making these massive stones that this was their form of cement, loaded with ametysts, loaded with crystals. You touch that stone, I mean, you feel you're gonna get jacked, you're gonna get lifted up. Yeah, you feel the juice. So, anyways, I'm not saying anything magical about crystals, but they are piezological and they will impact your physiology.
SPEAKER_03And on that note, the floor in my office is terracotta. Terracotta is highly paramagnetic. If you read the book Tuning into Nature by Philip Callahan, he showed that you could take, he he showed him he did assessments on all the stones of the pyramids in Egypt, showed that they were uh that they had selected stones. They had to have gone at least 50 miles to find these places, stones in a lot of places, and that they had chosen the stones that had high paramagnetic energy due to the mineral composition of them. And so he made a little, what looked like a little rocket. I actually reproduced the experiment myself, and he used highly paramagnetic materials. He tells you what to use. You can do things like basalt and coat the rocket with basalt, but he actually shows in the Great Pyramid he's levitating this little object that he made, which looks like a little rocket that's covered in paramagnetic rock dust, and he just puts it over top of the rocks inside the king's chamber, and it literally levitates because it's like north on north of a magnet, right? So the point I'm making is terracotta is highly paramagnetic. Water and body tissues are dimagnetic, which means an affinity to the north pole of a magnet, paramagnetic south pole. So when you lay down on my terracotta floor, anybody that I've ever had lay down on the floor gets up and goes, oh my God, I have so much more energy. What's going on? Is it just my imagination? No, you're laying on terracotta and your body's full of water. So you're charging the system up just like a battery. Um, as a that's just a little side note. But yeah, there's so many natural technologies available to us that are just completely and utterly overlooked. And that's why I tell people, quit fucking biohacking, learn about nature. She's loaded with secrets, man. Hi, everybody. I hope you're enjoying the show. I imagine you know that magnesium is one of the minerals that people in North America are the most efficient in, but it's an extremely important mineral to have in your diet regularly. And believe it or not, biooptimizers has improved what was already well known to be the best magnesium formula out there called magnesium breakthrough. So I've got Wade Lighthart with me to explain what it is they've done to improve this already excellent formula. Wade, what is new about your new mag breakthrough formula?
SPEAKER_07Well, it's called sucresomial magnesium. So we have seven different types of magnesium in magnesium breakthrough because they're up taken by different parts of the body. But a new type of magnesium has been created called sucrosomial. And what it shows in the research and science
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SPEAKER_07is that it's actually even more absorbable by the body, particularly inside of the brain, which is a big aspect to enhance neurotransmitter formation as well as ensuring the rest and relax response in the nervous system that a lot of people will take magnesium for. They find it, you know, clocks them down, helps them sleep better, allows for the relaxation of striated and smooth muscle tissue in the body, which creates an energetic relief. And so when we added sucrosomial, we were able to demonstrate inside our lab facility that we were able to get better improvements. Of course, we have a partnership with Birch International University. We have some patents we're working on, uh, which will kind of relay some of these things. But sucrosomial was a no-brainer when we added to the formula, improved the results or improved the uptake and the reports back from our testing team were like, wow, this is we get more results with less caps. And that's always the goal for our company.
SPEAKER_03That's excellent. I love it. I I always say, and people have probably heard me say it before, I just am so amazed how you guys are constantly and always improving and working your best to not only make better products for us, but it doesn't seem to me that it gets more expensive as you make them better. So that's a real gift to the world. Thank you.
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SPEAKER_03Now, in all this talk about vitamins and minerals, and uh, there's a couple things I wanted to get back to. Uh, we mentioned cofactors. That's a topic that's not well understood. When I think cofactors, I think phenolics, terpenes, and alkaloids. Um, some people might put trace minerals in there. What are you guys referring to when you talk about cofactors?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'd say like the definition is something that helps the core ingredient work better. Yeah. So it could be a lot of things, then yeah, and it changes based on the types of products. Like, and we do that for every single formula. That's actually where we spend the most time and the most money in the lab. So, like with enzymes, when we rebuilt the newest version of mouse symmes, those two years of testing virtually every single cofactor we could think of, the lit what the literature would say. We did the same thing for you know, the new form of magnesium, the zinc. And, you know, it's always interesting. We're doing it right now with new probiotic formula to see, you know, what makes it work better, whether it's we're measuring biofilm formation or plantonic growth
Understanding cofactors.
SPEAKER_01or enzymatic capacity. There's like three different tests that we do there where we measure how fast or how much protein gets broken down, and we just follow the data, you know.
SPEAKER_03So from what you're just saying, it sounds to me like you're putting cofactors in the same category as a catalyst. Is that because a catalyst helps make a chemical transition or create something different, but it doesn't lose itself.
SPEAKER_01Um, would the cofactors potentially be metabolized and disappear versus being a a um Yeah, you know, when you get into pharmacokinetics of things, and you know, we we have our chemist built a new form of magnesium. He combined an amino acid with the magnesium with magnesium oxide. And we've tried it and we've done the animal study, and you know, God willing, it comes out next year. And what's really interesting is if you take those two things separately, they have a completely different effect than when you bond them together. You know, so the far the pharmacokinetic of things is very complicated. And for sure, when you're combining a cofactor, are they bonding inside the body and then converting it to something else? You know, it's hard to measure these things.
SPEAKER_03There's another factor there though that I don't see talked about very much, and that is that there's many things you can make in a laboratory that the body won't absorb because it does not have a way to recognize it. And a simple way to explain that is uh all plants, as you know, produce defense chemicals. A simple example I give my students is caffeine is a defense chemical. Research in this field shows that plants that produce caffeine do it because it disrupts the short-term memory of the animals that eat it and they can't find their way back to the plants.
SPEAKER_06Yep.
SPEAKER_03So if you eat enough of it, you can't remember where the plant was at. So that's how they protect themselves. So we actually had to consume caffeine-containing plants for potentially thousands of years before we had a mechanism for metabolizing it. Um, another example is research on pesticides. Uh, one of the papers I read when I wrote my book, How to Eat, Move, and Be Healthy, and I actually referenced the paper in there. One of the scientists looking into this said one of the problems is when you cook foods in an oven at cooking temperatures, even though you have uh a given pesticide that says safe at certain parts per million, you could have foods like I, for example, got a study from New Zealand where they took a lab, they went to the school lunchroom, took the food right off the lunchroom counter, you know, walk through, just like a student, an apple and whatever else, the macaroni and cheese or whatever, the apple had 19 different pesticides, some of them at several times the manufacturer's suggested safe limit. So the chemist that was part of one of the authors was saying, look, if you put these, this apple in an oven, like a baked apple, it will produce new chemicals that the body's never seen before and has no defense mechanism. It doesn't even know how to recognize it to detoxify it. So these are very dangerous factors. So the point that I'm making is how do you guys, what's your thought process when you're taking an amino acid, hooking it to a um a magnesium molecule or whatever? And how do you don't you ever think about whether or not the body could even recognize that molecule because it's not something that naturally occurs in nature anymore?
SPEAKER_01Well, both of these, these compounds are naturally are safe and you know, again, very popular. We'll reveal what it is when the patents filed. But and that's where animal studies come in. Um, we're gonna do human clinical trials as well. But you know, with that product, fun fun story. Uh, someone pissed us off.
SPEAKER_03You guys split that. There's a human chemical trial for you.
SPEAKER_01So wait finish it. Uh, but but someone pissed us off.
SPEAKER_03Pissed you guys off? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I called my chemist and I said, Hey, I want you to build uh magnesium that'll cross the blood-brain barrier. And he came up with this. And again, what we saw in the animal trial is it beat magnesium L3N8, which is the most uh well-respected form that crosses the blood-brain barrier. So, yeah, I mean, again, we have 10 PhDs in our lab. And the collective genius, you know, some people are genius in chemistry, some are genius in bacteria and probiotics, no one's just a genius at molecular biology. Um they're a big part of the team and they're a big part of the brain trust that goes into asking those questions. But, you know, you just triggered an important topic and tip that I have for everybody. You know, one of the hardest things to absorb is fat-soluble molecules. But there's a simple hack. You just take all your fat-soluble molecules in one dose with a good bolus of fat. So, like this morning, I took my vitamin E, my fatty 15, my plasmogen, 16 caps of plasmogen, which is great for your glial cells, took that all in one shot. And if you just look at the research on turmeric, CBD, I mean, name named a fat-soluble molecule, you can improve absorption as much as like 800% of those things. By doing what? By just taking a sufficient dose of fat.
SPEAKER_03And and that's why bulletproof you mean fat like peanut butter or avocado or butter or whatever.
SPEAKER_01I mean, if you go back
“One of the hardest things [for humans] to absorb is fat soluble molecules.”
SPEAKER_01to buttered coffee, it's the same with meat. Yeah. The the real breakthrough with buttered coffee was the caffeine's gonna bond to the MCT oil or to the butter, which also elongates the absorption and smooths out the curve.
SPEAKER_03That's how that's how I came up with that. When Dave Asprey says he came up with it on his own, but whatever that story is. But when I did it, I think I've told you the story, haven't I?
SPEAKER_01Oh, Wade's told me the story.
SPEAKER_03Well, the story in short is I had so many people when I tested them had severe blood sugar management problems. They were bouncing back and forth between high glycemic and low glycemic all day long, which is extremely stressful on the whole body. Um, but the one thing I saw consistently when I took at uh diet logs is they were, especially women, were starting their day with nothing but a cup of coffee and often putting sugar in it. So I was asking my soul, how can I help people that won't eat breakfast because they have too many excuses, they're in a hurry, they get up late, whatever. And my soul said to me, You remember what a chelating factor is? I said, Of course I do. My soul said, All you got to do is mix it with fat, and it will chelate the caffeine and it'll cause a time release effect.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So that's when I started experiencing uh experimenting with uh a wide variety of nut oils, coconut oil, butter, ghee. Uh the long and the short of it, the best is um raw butter, raw uncooked butter because there's enough protein in it that'll actually mix with things. So a lot of these oils will float on the top.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So what you get, you drink coffee, a shot of espresso with Brazil nut oil or any number of oils or even MCT oil, is you get a pock, excuse me, a pocket of fat, and then you get a bunch of coffee. So they're not mixing together. But if you have enough protein in there like milk, it absorbs the proteins absorb whatever it is you have it with. And then you're they're tied together, so you get the chelating effect on it. Um, but that's why I did it. And then I found that a lot of these people that were starting their day with caffeine, I recommended that they do the equivalent of what you know, two restaurant slabs of butter or two teaspoons of butter, because I found from my own experimentation that that created a stabilizing effect, that their blood sugar stability improved tremendously.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Which I could use as a support to a wellow is educating them. The the other question that I had is I've got a couple of good books here in my nutrition section on blocking factors. And for example, it says if you drink caffeine, coffee within something like 30 minutes. It's been years since I read it, like 20 years, it'll block about 90% of the absorption of any vitamins. Have you guys done any research into that? Because I think a lot of people aren't aware of that, and this is why timing of supplementation can become important.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I've I've seen that. Of course, it there's fast metabolizers and slow metabolizers of caffeine. So going back to your own individual genetics is going to determine the variances on that. But yeah, that's been my uh research has said the same thing that taking vitamins, minerals, supplements, whatever with caffeine does seem to have a restrictive. And then now you've got the data coming out on GLP ones. Remember back in the day when they were taking chitosan in order to block, and people were getting the runs because fats weren't crossing the intestines. And to circle back to a little bit before when we were talking, when I got into uh the raw food diet, where the concept was, well, heating destroys enzymes, and enzymes are a major cofactor in the digestibility. You go back to um Pottinger's cats, and then you know, all the stuff that was developed over the years on enzymes. So our foundational product was originally Mass Simes because we got, okay, now we're going to provide a full spectrum, 17 different enzymes and cofactors in order to make sure that we are absorbing what you're taking. I would bel my personal belief is take your nutrition outside of your caffeine dosage, period.
SPEAKER_03I just brought that up because everybody knows it. But this is a book of 200 pages of like a catalog of blocking factors and food additives observed that actually some of the most common blocking factors are commonly used medical drugs.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, well, you one of the things that we discovered in the lab too is, for example, if you add a little bit of magnesium to things, like it changes how your microbiome operates. Then you have things like Which what 95% of it is made in your gut? If you don't have the right bacteria cultures, you know, your ability to make you know happy neurochemicals is somewhat restricted. And if you look at blocking factors with all these chemical agents, just as a let's just classify all of these foods that we're not used to as a species, we haven't adapted to them being washed through the system all the time. I would say that the likelihood that a large portion of them are disrupting your ability to absorb your nutrition. And there's also anecdotal evidence, which is I think very valuable in observation.
SPEAKER_08Pretty much everyone I know that's really radiant and healthy, over and above their age demographic.
SPEAKER_07Which is rare. Well, it's the people I like to hang out with the most. So for me, it seems common. Yeah. Although it's not common, but not at the movie theater. Right. The one element or the some of the what have what have I noticed about those individuals? Well, one, they have an exercise regime regimen.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07They're really into some sort of breathing practice. They're into hydration, right? They're um conscientious about intaking the proper amounts of sun, which is an accelerant for everything. And they eat real food. And they also have some sort of practice that puts them in a great mental space. And then the third, the final piece is they follow what I call the et cetera program, education, testing, and coaching. They find people that are producing the result they want to coach them on what they need to pay attention to. They run tests, and of course, the root word of education means to learn from within. Okay. Well, first, out of the plethora of experiments that I could have, the mentor steps in and says, run these experiments. Yeah. So now you've you've created a better set of test parameters so you can get to the result faster. And then you observe yourself. And one of the simplest ways to do this is what we used to do in bodybuilding, which you write down every day in a journal, how did I feel? What was my eating times? What was my exercise? Was I energized? Was I hungry? Was I tired? Was I cranky?
SPEAKER_03Every one of my clients has to do.
SPEAKER_07I wouldn't, I wouldn't see a client if they didn't have two weeks of information provided for me with the timing of that. And invariably, they would come to you at first and say, Well, how's your diet? Oh, it's pretty good. Yes. Right. And then they come back and then they come down with the shoulders kind of down, like kind of up and their head down, and like, well, what did you learn in the first two weeks? Well, my diet isn't as good as I thought it was. Right. And I said, Well, what patterns did you notice? Well, I crash at three o'clock. Oh, what's your habit at noon? Right. What's your habit at noon? And then for lunch. And you start switching a few of those parameters. Yeah. And all of a sudden, the general course changes over time. And then that was just like a eureka moment that, like, oh wow, I'm actually empowered to do the tests myself. And with just a little bit of guidance of what tests to do. Um, but almost all of those people eat real food, they supplement with specific supplements that they're not getting for their diet or they have trouble absorbing while practicing all those basic practices, which you've outlined uh in your book. You know, what's it now? It's going on, what, 20, 25 years, right? I got I got the anniversary.
SPEAKER_03I got the anniversary edition on my shelf. I have it, I published it in 2004, so it's 22 years now. 22 years now. And I don't think there's a single thing in there that's outdated because it's all built on principles.
SPEAKER_07Correct. And that's when we started the company, interesting enough, 22 years ago.
SPEAKER_03Is that right?
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh, cool.
SPEAKER_07Well, we're a good year, I guess, 22 years ago.
SPEAKER_03We're sprouting our genius.
SPEAKER_07Must have been a solar flare at that time or something. As you know, you study history and you got some insight.
SPEAKER_03What popped into my mind that I that I wanted to talk to you guys about because of your knowledge, background, experience, and research, you know, there's a lot of great information on the microbiome coming out now. But one of the things that I have observed from working with people and just paying attention to my own body is that what a person feeds their body determines what the microbiome has to eat. And if you, for example, live off processed foods, you can only maintain a population of the bacteria that will eat that crap. And I found that I think that a lot of the people that have gut problems and general health problems also have dysbiosis because I see this all the time. But I found two things. One, if you get far enough down into a dysbiosis, it's very hard to shift the population because
Protecting your microbiome.
SPEAKER_03you have such a strong population of, well, just as an analogy, you got 90% warriors that don't like the good guys. And the good guys would be what you get from natural food, right? So you start putting in a probiotic or putting in, you know, healthy raw foods or kimchi, and it seems like the bad guys can just kick the shit out of the good guys if you get to a certain point. But the point I'm making is I think that one of the overlooked things that I haven't heard talked about much, but I think it's very important, is if you take the typical person's diet, you look at the additives, preservative, preservatives, colorings, emulsifiers, stabilizers, uh chemicals from medical drugs, chemicals from the environment. Um you know, think of the chemical cocktail that most people are living in and putting in their bodies. Um and I I think that that's setting people up not only for the wrong bacteria, unhealthy bacteria, but it's bringing in the genes into the body that the body can't use to regulate itself. The mic, you know, the microbiome gives us a tremendous genetic diversity. And I think we're designed to live in concert with our environment. In fact, from a spiritual perspective, I think it was uh the philosopher or uh uh I think his name's uh Novato. I found this quote years ago and I drew a piece of art based on it. The seed of the soul is where the internal environment and the external environment meet. And that there's a deep statement being there, made there, like I eat out of our garden and from farmers' markets, and so what I'm making my body out of is almost all locally grown organic food. That's the external environment, but it meets my internal environment through the digestive process. And so the seed of the soul is in this marriage of relationships. Now throw chips, uh potato chips from the stork, Doritos, uh cornflakes, uh frosted flakes, Pop Tarts, Gatorade, whatever the fuck you want to throw in there. And now you're bringing things in that your natural microbiome, which is really the soil within the body, it's the earth element in the body. Now you got a polluted earth element. And so I think we have this overgrowth of pathogenic macro of uh bacteria, and I think it's the wrong genetics and it's producing the wrong chemistry. And the number of people that I've worked with that had suicidal thoughts and um really dark inner world, and I said to them, look, let's just clean your diet up, let's work on your water intake, work on the water source, get organic food. I just basically some real basic stuff. Within two weeks, every single one of them no longer had these suicidal thoughts and was very, very grateful. Like, oh my God, because the doctors wanted to put me on this drug or that drug. Um I'm just curious, with your what's your guys' thoughts on this from the microbiome and the the overall effect it has on our body and and the importance of being aware that certain populations of bacteria don't do us well, but they live off of shitty stuff.
SPEAKER_01One one tip that I think is incredibly powerful, I haven't heard a lot of people, but not anyone talk about is bacteria has a 48-hour lifespan.
SPEAKER_03Four-zero. Four-eight. 48-hour? Yes. Okay. You know, but they they reproduce like crazy though.
SPEAKER_01True. But if you do a five-day water fast, uh, which you will kill off and dry out a lot of them, which creates a beautiful opportunity to repopulate. Yes, which in my experience, our microbiome breakthrough product is the ultimate way to end a fast. Like I've I've done it both ways. Every time I I break my fast with that, I have zero uh disturbances. Like, you know, because sometimes when you start introducing even stuff like fruit, bone broth, you know, I'll go to the toilet a few extra times. Yeah. So yeah, it's a great opportunity. So I think that's a great strategy if you've got dysbiosis. Starve them out. Yeah. You know, starve them out and then introduce some stuff. Um we talked about serotonin. So half of your dopamine is produced in your gut. You know, our probiotic breakthrough product, one of the things we we tested a bunch of strains.
SPEAKER_03It's what used to be P3OM, right?
SPEAKER_01Correct, right? Formerly known as P3O.
SPEAKER_03I got so P3OM so stuck in my mind, Penny's forever having to tell me when I'm shooting at the end of the state.
SPEAKER_07All that meant was powerful, it was powerful probiotic, proteolytic probiotic. That's what the P3 stood for. It was just too long to say. So now we just went to probiotic breakthrough. But it's the same strain, but it's a it's a that's been a mutated strain. So that was subjected to a toxic soup. A sine wave was ran through it, about two percent of the bacteria actually survived, and they cultivated new capabilities and abilities, which we called it the navy seals of probiotics. And particularly what's interesting in that, it will digest proteins, undigested proteins. Oh, great. And that's what a lot of these bad bacteria feed on, undigested proteins that produce indol and scatol, and all these neurotoxins and stuff like that that distort people's thinking and brain.
SPEAKER_03I love that stuff, by the way.
SPEAKER_07It's amazing. I've been using that for uh now basically 22, 23 years, something like that. It tastes fantastic. I'm you can feel you can feel it when you do it. And I take four before, I take four before bed uh every night for the last couple of decades. And during that time, I've only been sick a couple of times.
SPEAKER_03Okay, you're talking about that. I'm I'm thinking of the powder, the scoop vanilla flavor. That's the microbiome breakthrough. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01Break the fast with. That's what you break the fast with.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, okay, because that's a great product as well. It's amazing. I love that stuff.
SPEAKER_01But one of the things that P3OM or provider breakthrough does that we tested in the lab, it's a GABA powerhouse. So it'll produce GABA, which of course is you know incredible for calming nervous system. And interestingly, you know, a bit of a side note, but GABA won't cross the blood-brain barrier. So the current theory and hypothesis is that it's hitting the vagal, the vagus system. So that's because anybody who's you know, almost everybody who tries GABA, you know, whatever the form, and I'm sure you, you know, you got a bunch of herbs that you vaporize that have GABA in it, feel it. Um but again, it's just not crossing the blood being here. So it's so it's hitting it's gotta be hitting the vagal system.
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SPEAKER_03We still have a lot to learn about human anatomy with this.
SPEAKER_09That's the beautiful part.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um let me see some other things I wanted to ask you about. Oh, I just had a note uh about self-exploration and what to look for, like paying attention. And I just thought maybe I would share a few things that I share with my students. Uh and you guys can add, like if you're talking about, okay, you know, how's my body doing with this? How's my body doing with my diet right now? Um, one, look at your skin. If you're if your skin looks aged, that's a sign that something's not right. The first place to go is are you hydrated adequately? But a lot of people with processed food have much more aged-looking skin. Um, so I found that's on look at your nails. If you have checks in your nails, if you have ridges in your nails, if your nails are too soft, if they flake too easily, if you have fungus under your nails, that's a very bad sign. Look at your hair. If if you I mean, I don't have a lot, but if if you have split ins, if your hair is dry and brittle, that's often fatty acid deficiencies or mineral deficiencies. Um, look at your urine, the smell of it, the color of it, look at your poop.
SPEAKER_01Just a quick uh introject on on urine and hydration. Like if your pea is clear, crystal clear, yeah, that's not good. Like it should be kind of a mildly yellow. Correct. Yeah, that is. But it shouldn't stink. No, that's a different story.
SPEAKER_03And if you go to the most any public urinal, it smells like you're in a toxic freaking spot there.
SPEAKER_07The best example of this, and I'll I'll make a small confession, which is and you you'll get this. So I I I love occasionally going to the movie theaters. Yeah, and dug on it, it's just really hard to walk by the popcorn, which is terrible.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, I know that one.
SPEAKER_07And I used to have my clients do an experiment. I said, okay, watch the movie and see how much popcorn you scume. I said, and then if you want, go take a bag of popcorn and sit out on the sidewalk and just try to consume it without a movie that's like you can't do it on the sidewalk, you won't need it. But I'll nail down a whole bag in there. And then this second I get out of the movie, I gotta run to the urinal. Yeah, and the urine just stinks to high heaven because my like I've probably just intoxicated my system to the end. And I and every time I go, why do I eat
Wade’s small confession.
SPEAKER_07the popcorn at the movie theater? I don't understand why I do it. And and I I I I still haven't broken. Excitation. I do too. Well, what's that was the experiment. Yeah, I would say for fun, sit in the back of the movie theater and watch a movie and just watch the people of when they're eating eat. And the this the the excitement builds up in the thing, and then as soon as the relief comes, you're you're walking in all the popcorn that you can score. Yeah, it is it's it's like it's the music is the movie conductor, and you can see the people responding, you know, it's just like you're hypnotized, you know, and you're manipulated into the consuming something that you cannot consume without that external indoctrination machine. It's fascinating, it's a fascinating mental experiment just to go do.
SPEAKER_03There's another factor that I've observed in myself and in others. Um, when we're eating popcorn, in most instances, we're doing something fun in our culture.
SPEAKER_09Yes.
SPEAKER_03So if you're at a movie and you're eating popcorn, it is a cultural symbol that you're having a good time.
SPEAKER_09Yes.
SPEAKER_03And that you can just relax and enjoy yourself. And eating is also a way we bond with each other. So you got the entertainment, you got the I'm having fun and it's not a stressful environment right now. So let me just dig it, let me soak it in.
SPEAKER_09Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03But you know, I I I carry my own, I don't do it anymore because my body just reacts very negatively to popcorn. But whenever I used to go to the Penny and I used to go to the movies for that was like our reward for ourselves every Friday to go to a movie, and we would make our own organic popcorn with butter and bring it and sneak it into the theater and so you know, have the top-of-the-line popcorn in the world. But yeah, and it's a bummer to me that I can't eat popcorn. I I just got to the point where I just couldn't take the comp, maybe four days of pain after it, but you know, it's movie night, and I say, okay, I'm gonna do this, but as you get older, your your tolerance for that goes down. Yeah. Um, you're talking about something that's very important and that's running a lot of research, and that's very objective science. You know, it's measuring this, measuring that. What's the known levels of this or levels of that, which there's also um if you read the book Biochemical Individuality by Roger Will Williams PhD, it shows you that a lot of that information is very flawed. Um, not that I'm detracting from science, I'm saying we're we're making a lot of assumptions on what normal of anything is. But the point I'm leading to is, you know, we're in a very left-brained culture, we worship science. And then you look at the science of consciousness, you look at the hard problem, and you see everyone's having such a hard time with the hard problem, which to me is a joke. Um, we you know, it's another whole discussion. But the point I'm really driving at is how do you guys handle the marriage of balancing the objective with the subjective of intuition, gut instinct, and just the dog's nose.
SPEAKER_01It starts with the subjective.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, usually wait all at tests. I mean, there's just never a shortage of of ideas, and it always feels like like downloads about things. Yeah. And also there's been many products where it literally felt like I was being guided, you know. And even this the rabbit holes, you know, guided in the right rabbit holes. And you you know, usually the process is okay, we have an idea for a product, we look at, you know, and just some like left brain stuff in there. Like, yes, is this market viable? Are we too early? Are we Too late. Can we build something better? There's a lot of like left brain questions. But then you start building it, and you get into all the research, and you you get those more right brain Eureka moments where yeah, you know what? And Berberine Breakthrough was really built that way. I built that product. And as I was looking at all the stuff, I'm like, yeah, okay, this is gonna hit that, and that's gonna hit this. And it felt more like a right brain experience putting that together. And then of course you you gotta validate everything with the lab. Yeah. And that's more of the the latter set. So the stuff that takes the way the most the most time and the most money, but you you gotta do it.
SPEAKER_03I think that I appreciate what you're saying because you're a uh you guys are formulators, but I'm an alchemist at heart.
SPEAKER_02And I don't have a scientific lab. So what I have to do is validate it with the lab of my own body and my own experience.
SPEAKER_03But what I say feels good to me is totally subjective, and what you say feels good to you and you to you is totally subjective. And what the lab can validate, you know, like you and I talked about my weird reaction to magnesium and how it does the opposite to me. It winds me up. If I take most magnesium products before I go to bed, I can't sleep for shit. I actually feel like I'm buzzed out on caffeine. But that that's not a typical thing that someone that works in a lab would say about magnesium. So I I feel that we we we as a culture have leaned so heavily on objective science and we've become so left-brained in our analysis that we've lost this deeper connection. Like what you're saying is is how I get guided too. You get an intuitive insight or a gut instinct that maybe these two molecules coupled together would do the magic I'm trying to have happen. You test it and you get the eureka moment and you go, oh my God, this is amazing. Or geez, that didn't work out, you know, one step closer because we're gonna do another experiment.
SPEAKER_02But I think that um for the individual, it's it's almost always uh empirical and subjective.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Wait, now we're talking about placebo effects on the way up here this morning and the biology of belief, right? Yes. So I think I think one key point you're making is there's genetic variances, and like obviously there's something very likely in your genes that make magnesium an energizer. It's the same thing with GABA, by the way. But 15% of people get energized on GABA. So for these people, don't take it before bed. Um, and then we and I were just talking about the power of the placebo effect, embracing the placebo. And if like if you believe that something doesn't work, it will diminish the impact of it. And if you believe it does, it will increase it. There's been, you know, countless studies. Exactly, right? We we know that's true. So that's another variable in the mix, too, right?
SPEAKER_09Yes.
SPEAKER_07Uh first
The power of the placebo and the biology of belief.
SPEAKER_07off, let's talk about uh the you what you're really uh illustrating, I think, is a consciousness issue. And if you do an And a cultural issue, well, let's just take something that everyone's familiar with is uh the temperature scale. So you can use Fahrenheit, Celsius, or Kelvin. Now, whatever modality you're using, there is a it's 72 or it's 22 or it's whatever Kelvin. That's a subjective system that has been clarified as object. And at some point on that scale, we we as individuals, subjective experience says, well, that's cold or that is hot. Now, if I look, my wife is from Sao Paulo, so her version of cold and my version of cold are very different. Yeah. There's no change in the objective scale of Fahrenheit or Celsius, but our subjective experience is radically different. Yes. And so that's where objective data is always directional and subjective is experiential, but just still directional, though. Yes, but it's it's internalized awareness, which is really where education comes in, to be able to take a set of data, an experiment. I'm gonna try this exercise, I'm gonna try this food. And then based on that, I'm going to integrate the subjective experience from the objective information.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And information could be food, it could be an exercise, it could be a thought process, it could be a philosophy, yeah, which we could call objective. But when you really strip it all away, everything is subjective. And then you get into at some point, that's why almost all the great scientists eventually end up to studying consciousness itself because you realize that's the limiting factor within everything.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's where the saying perception is reality comes from, is that very issue. Um, and you can, you know, you can philosophically hack at that all you want, but I think a lot of these guys just jerk off to finding out ways to be antagonistic to everything instead of paying attention to the reality of their own experience. You know, I remember once I was giving a lecture in Australia and I was talking about the subtle energy bodies and the chakras and how that all worked. And this guy got so pissed off, he stood up in the audience and raised his voice at me and goes, I am a scientist, and what you're saying here is bullshit. I can't even I don't even know why my wife paid you to take this course. And I said, So you think it's bullshit just because you can't measure this? He said, Yes. Well, I said, first of all, there are instruments that can measure this, and I gave him the history of that, which began in, I believe, 1972 with I forgot her name from UCLA. She was the first one to scientifically prove the chakra systems. And so I said to him, I said, Um, so what you're telling me is if you can't prove it scientifically, then it doesn't exist. He said, Yes. I said, I have a question for you. Is love important to you? And he paused because he knew right then he'd been caught. He said, Yes. I said, Well, your wife's sitting right there. Shall I ask her how important love is in your relationship? How do you weigh and measure that? Do you exclude that? Because what you're trying to do is hold me to the standard that says if you can't weigh it and measure it, it doesn't exist, which means there's no bond between you except money and things to do. You know, so you see that what I'm driving at is that, and the reason I brought this up is because with the way doctors are trained, the way nutritionists are now trained, everybody's got a lab jacket, chiropractors have turned themselves into miniature medical doctors. We've got orthomolecular science. I mean, you see all the books, I've read lots of them. But I see all sorts of people with PhDs and nutrition and MD degrees that are sick as dogs, unhealthy people, look like shit, feel like shit, yet they're smart as shit. And they're out of touch with the reality called their body, their emotions, their feelings, their heart, their openness to new ideas. And if it's not written in a research paper, then it can't be true. And that's why I brought it up. I just I think that uh yeah, I think one of the reasons that you guys are successful is because you're both hemispheres of your brain are talking to each other. But when you look at the system that we live in and the culture we live in, we've gotten so trapped in our left brain by smart people with PhDs who publish papers and condition people to think if it's not scientifically valid and it's not real, I think we're dying from being smart.
SPEAKER_07The map is not the terrain. Yeah, exactly. You can read a map and know all the positions on the map, but you haven't actually gone and traversed the terrain. Right. When you traverse a different terrain, you'll find the differentiation because the map is a singular plane. Yeah. Or the terrain is undulating and has all sorts of elements. Well, the map doesn't change, but the terrain does absolutely every minute.
SPEAKER_01Encounter rattlesnakes and winds.
SPEAKER_07So yeah. All objective authority, in my opinion, should be treated as hey, it's a tr it's a map of what you can potentially experience. And from that map, I'm gonna go journey the terrain. And then I've actually experienced what the map could never prove by its illustration. It's a directional goal. We wrestled with this when we start first started the company in the idea of um objectivity, subjectivity. We were going down and seeing all kinds of uh lectures with Dr. David Hawkins and the map of consciousness and nonlinear dynamics and quantum mechanics and the all of these elements, the act of observation changes the experiment, strange attractor fields, and all of this really fantastic stuff. And so we said, okay, we can never be absolutely sure about anything. Number one, authority is a rigid position. Yeah. So one always has to bake in the humility. And so, how do we do that? Well, here's what we believe that we understand. Here are the reasons why we believe this to be true, and here is the offerings we have based on that. However, we are also aware that no matter how well-intentioned or how thorough we might be in the cultivation and development of a product, an idea, a subject, whatever, we're subject to error like everyone else. And so the way that we would wrap that up, because we didn't want to instill negative karma by, you know, fleecing people unintentionally, yeah. We said, hey, you know what? If people try some of our stuff and they don't like it, we just give you your money back if it didn't get the experiments that you thought that you wanted. Now, sometimes those people are projecting stuff onto us. Yeah. Sometimes they were a case that didn't get the results they wanted, et cetera. And it was like, that was our best way because one of the things that we want to encourage more than anything else, and I think your listeners of the podcast, why we've been with you for so long is you've taught that aspect of experiential reality and running those tests yourself, is to if someone purchased a product, bought anything from us, it's like, you know what? It doesn't work for you. We want to return that value to you. Yeah. We want your feedback because that's informing, even if it's not in the way that, hey, you're gonna buy our products or whatever. And then we want to reward you by returning the capital that you spent with us, that energy units, yeah, and letting you redeploy that for another experiment because you've given us value by providing us insight to something that we may not be aware of or not know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And our development of new products
The benefits of experiential reality.
SPEAKER_07and services or new renditions of what we're already done has often been on the negative feedback. It's an essential component of the system. And any authority that isn't willing to be vulnerable enough to withstand social injury, is essentially what it is. My authority is being challenged, therefore I have to shut this down, as opposed to being open and inviting and vulnerable. So I'm like, oh, well, tell me your experience about that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Hey, well, okay, that's an in that's an insight. Maybe that is going to lead us to another discovery that is going to have massive improvements for a whole segment of the population that has been excluded. And our whole point is the service of mankind. Yeah. And those spiritual-based ideologies of like the law of one, that we're all one, that we're all a human condition, that we're all contributing to this thing, has been a foundational aspect of our business model, our personal relationship. And that's not easy.
SPEAKER_03No, no, it isn't. It's not easy. It isn't because, yeah, I could give you a thousand reasons why I'm a business owner and you know, understand human beings and uh everything. But but you know, I just want to say that it really shows in the products myself. I'm I'm Paul Czech saying this. You know, like I've said to you on previous podcasts, you constantly are telling me, oh, we're researching our magnesium breakthrough. You like you're you're researching this and it's like you guys have been researching and researching and researching. Like there's very few companies in the world that have that much interest in actually improving the product. It's kind of like somebody that thinks because they've memorized scriptures that they're enlightened and they just believe. You know, so I I think it's it's uh it's a really great thing that you guys are doing. And I think that to have that disposition is uh is important for other companies to uh see. And you know, you guys are very, very successful. So it's a it's a statement that you can be successful by being creative, explorative, you can invest in research, you can produce good products. It's not all just about making money, you know. There's I mean, I'm sure you guys get a lot of thrill out of finding all these things out, you know. It's like the greatest pioneering expose of life, you know.
SPEAKER_07On our team meetings, the favorite part of the meeting, we we do there's two favorite parts of the meeting the beginning and the end. No doubt, which we open with a meditation. Oh, great. Uh, and and restate our intent and our values of the company. We have a sharing experience of who embodied those inside of the company. And then this and the next favorite part is we read the testimonials because not everybody's in the lab. Not they're marketers, they're copywriters, there are, you know, every different aspect of the business that you can imagine. We have staff in what, 29 countries or 160 people working for us around the world directly, and then our adjacent partners and distributors, et cetera, et cetera. So it's like thousands and thousands of people. Yeah. And the favorite part is reading the testimonial about the 67-year-old woman that now can go to the bathroom every week, or the person that was suffering from a blood sugar issue and now nothing worked, and this worked.
SPEAKER_03And and I get to participate in that, by the way, because I get those testimonials from the people I give your stuff to.
SPEAKER_07And which leads to the most important realization that I've had in my whole journey. We both started out as personal trainers.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07We fell in love with people feeling better. Yes. Amen. And but here's the curious aspect that I think is a great point to be aware of. Why do we feel good when we were able to provide something for someone else that helps them feel good? There is a biochemical reaction. Now, we've been very successful. The company's been very successful, yeah, and I'm very grateful for that. But there is not one single number, hundreds of millions, billions, whatever the number is financially, that can even compare to the sense that I feel internally when I read that testimonial on our team from some lady in Idaho or some person over in some part of the country that somehow discovered us and had a life-changing experiment. And that drives the motivation, it drives the culture, and it drives the gratitude. And at the end of the day, gratitude and appreciation open up what I think is real wisdom. And that wisdom will give you the subjective insights to go do the next adventure and objective because you've passed the test. And every single company that goes through the journey of starting out as an idea, we started the company with a hundred bucks in a vision. And there are points in that journey that you will be tested. Always product, raws, you know, margins, feedback, lawsuits, reactions, you know, all sorts of tests that are going to be. And if you have that guiding light behind all of it, yeah, you will pass those tests. And if you abandon that, you're not going to be around. And we've been around for a long time because of it. And and and I never want to ever lose sight of that in the company. And that's why we keep reiterating the values on a weekly basis. To like, you know, we got to sing from the hymn book every week, kind of thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and it goes right back to what I said to you either in the sauna or just when we got out of the sauna. A labor of love is sustainable.
SPEAKER_09Yes.
SPEAKER_03Anything else is just labor, and it's not sustainable. It ultimately wears you out. It desouls you. You know, to just put hubcaps on a car when you have genius sitting in your soul because you're getting a paycheck is a great way to just slowly die. My point is, you know, when you do what you love to do, no matter what the challenge is, it's just another growth opportunity. It's another obstacle to climb, it's another um exploration and it's another way to learn new things and to solve problems. It's part of being human. It's part of being and and you know, love comes with responsibility. It's it's it's like taking responsibility for what we create for people. These are very important concepts. I save the best for last, you guys.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_03My soul gave me a co-on the other night. I was listening to a book on wisdom that had some pretty deep good stuff in it, and it triggered a co-on in me.
SPEAKER_02You you guys are very aware that as a general theme, science hates belief.
SPEAKER_03You understand the concept, right? But isn't it true that believers like religious people also hate science because when it produces objective facts that go against their beliefs, they reject it, they get irritated, they get upset, and act potentially violently. Okay? So here's the co-on. If you go on the blackboard right here and write science hates belief, put a line under it like a mathematical equation, and then write belief hates science, and put an equal sign with a question mark, what does it equal? Because we've pretty much just described the human condition, haven't we? We've got left brainers that hate belief and only trust science, and we've got religious, more right brain, not uh, you know, sort of right brain, but but we got people that run strictly on belief, not fact, and they resent science that goes against belief. So if you look at those two against each other, where does that leave us?
SPEAKER_01I think you know, they say one of the marks of intelligence to be able to hold two opposing thoughts.
SPEAKER_03Exactly.
SPEAKER_01And I, you know, I'm obviously I love experiments, I love science. But as we were talking about earlier, I know the power of belief, I know the power of embracing a placebo. So to me, those are not opposing things, they're just two different things and they're both tools, they're both powerful. But I think you know, when people think one thing is the the ultimate truth and sort of attacking anything that's different, that's really the core of the problem.
SPEAKER_07Well, we're we're spiritual beings, yeah. And we've been blessed and cursed with human physiology. And inside of that, we uh innately defer to some type of authority, and that authority then takes on a tribalistic element. I'm part of the scientific community, I'm part of the church, which is saying I'm part of the Iroquois versus the Mohawk nation. My people against your people, right? And so people the security element of our brain exclusion from our tribe meant certain death. And the ancestral elements is built into our into our nervous system. And we default to that under the more stress that we're under. And then the emotional flush happens. So, for example, we all have been in situations where we might have been less resourced or more stressed in a singular situation in a situation. And our ability for emotional regulation determines. So the difference between an untrained gunfighter and a real gunfighter is that the threat comes up and the emotional response on the untrained gunfighter means he's dead. And the expert gunfighter is able to manage the emotion and maintain the execution of what he has to do. And you know, all training is subjectively exposing yourself to levels of stress and that you can maintain emotional equanimity. And when you can retain emotional equanimity, you are then capable of holding two opposing ideas in your mind. But the second you lose that, your ability to do that goes down. And then you default into tribal dynamics, which is being accelerated today with social media phones and the proliferation of competing ideas grabs people's attention because our brains see, oh, that's a threat. I need to pay attention. It's like going past the car accident on the on the highway. The it's liberals versus Republicans. It's, you know, the it's it's vegetarians versus the keto people. That sort of conflict gets attention, and then we go down that model and we're hooked. And so the idea is to bring yourself back to spirit. We're all one, and be in the observation of that, and also seeing what arises within oneself, and then using that as a model of what you've got to work on, because your best adversary will teach you more about yourself than almost anything else.
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SPEAKER_03Yeah, and you know, when I meditated on the co-on I just presented to you, what what I came up with that resolves a lot and it would resolve it for a lot of people is this just change the word belief to hypothesis. Yeah, there you go. Belief is the problem. By definition, when you believe something, you stop asking questions about it. And that's when I think the danger begins. But if you have a hypothesis, it's an open-ended theory that you're working on uh testing and potentially upgrading at any time if the evidence suggests you should do so. So if we look at the equation, science hates belief, science embraces hypothesis. And instead of belief hate science, hypothesis invites
Substitute the word belief for hypothesis and your life will change.
SPEAKER_03science. And then we neutralize the whole thing. So at the end of the day, I think the cracker of the ko on is we just have to be careful about trapping ourselves in beliefs and staying open to new possibilities. And isn't that really a lot of the theme of what we talked about today? Pay attention to your body, pay attention to, you know, the supplements you're taking. Are they really working? Uh pay attention to the research, but also pay attention to how you feel. Um, be open to new ideas. Don't be rigid. Remember that the, you know, the if you if you want to make yourself age faster, then just stop paying attention. But what a what a fun journey. I always love it when you guys come up here. We have such a good time. We we get the most important things done first. We have time out in the rock garden, or today it was in the gym. We have good food, we have good smoke, we have good conversation. You guys often bring me new stuff before other people have it, which is always exciting.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna give you some uh prototype packets of uh creatine breakthrough coming out next year.
SPEAKER_03Okay, cool. Yeah. I'll see how the old man can do with that, you know. Yeah, next month I'm gonna be a senior citizen, so you can use me for your geriatric testing.
SPEAKER_07Well, based on the plethora of stories you tell me, that's an incredible accomplishment for some of the things that you've uh subjected yourself to. So uh congratulations in advance.
SPEAKER_03Uh you know, honestly, uh I I there's been many times in my life I didn't think I would even make it to my 50s. It's just like it's a it's a weird thing for me to be turning 65 next month. It's it's you know, the one thing that helps me tremendously and and has helped uh since their arrival is is my kids, you know, Mana and Zoe. You know, Mana came when I was 54 and I thought, oh my god, what have I done to myself because I wanted to retire and just you know go do art and smoke pot and do psychedelics and wait for God to send the spaceship to the next dimension. But then I just I just realized how precious he was and and it started making me look more at what's going on with children in the world, and I'm like, I can't I can't I can't give up yet, I can't put the shovel down, I gotta stay in the game. But then Zoe came at 57 and I'm like, wow. So you know, I I I'm fortunate that I do what I love to do like you guys do. But the one thing I've learned is just to pace myself a little better and you know, try to just not pressurize myself so much.
SPEAKER_07Kids are a natural regulator to the extreme personality. Yeah, it's like, wait a second, maybe I better not do that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the oxytoza we get. Yeah, it pushes down cortisol. Yes, it does.
SPEAKER_03And seeing them create, and you know, Mana just joined his first band and hearing him play the piano in the house, and when like he's been in piano lessons for a couple of years, but there's been a couple of times when I walked in the house from work and I hear this beautiful piano going through the house. And we have one of those pianos that that has a player in it, so it'll just play music, you know, no one at the piano, but it plays music, right? And so it sounds like a professional piano player in your living room. And I said to the girls, is that the piano player doing that? Or is that Mona? I said, No, that's Mana. And I'm like, Oh my god, I thought it was the, you know, the recordings and the piano. It's just like to to see a child flower like that and see Zoe just, you know, so in love with her gymnastics and doing so well, and you know, the the to watch them grow artistically because they're in Steiner school and see, you know, Mana painted a mask for a ceremony we had uh a few months back, and it blew everyone's mind. I saw that mask, and he said, Daddy, what do you think? I said, Whose mask is that? He said, It's mine. I said, My God, Mana, you painted that? It was unbelievable. I was blown away. I'm like, Mana, I don't think I could paint a mask like that. He goes, Really? He built a headdress with feathers on it and beads and gorgeous painting and symbols. And like everybody was blown away that a 10-year-old boy did that. So just and Zoe, she's great with weaving and making all these bracelets and necklaces, and it's just like uh the point is that these kids give me reason to not get old, to not just get tired of it all.
SPEAKER_07I think children are the ultimate health act.
SPEAKER_03And we've got to be so conscious of the world we're in right now. They really add meaning. They don't deserve the mess we've left. That's one of the things that drives me to do podcasts and inspire people to think better and clean the mess up and and you know like the the the myriad of ways children's lives can go down the tubes today, from social media to digital technology to bad food to shitty education. Um I I just think it's so important for for parents to really just you know, Osho said children are born God and their parents beat it out of them. I think it's we gotta remember the first part and get rid of the second part, you know, just really realize they're our future and and
“Children are the ultimate health hack.”
SPEAKER_03and and so I I think it's it's great because you you guys are doing a lot of great work. You've got a a young, uh a new son. How old now? You say 20 months?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_0320 months. You have you don't have any kids, do you?
SPEAKER_01You have kids? I have a four-year-old baby girl.
SPEAKER_03Great.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So we're all in this together. Yep. And wait years came along, you know, at what, 50?
SPEAKER_0752. I'm 54 now. So yeah, it was it was, you know, I I wasn't ready for the first 50 years, I guess. I didn't I didn't qualify for the position. I always have so much, you know. I I think of my parents had children when they were 20 in their early 20s, and I'm like, wow, that wouldn't have worked out well for me. So, you know, God was God spared me and said, you know, okay, you're you finally qualified for the position. Now let's see if you can do okay at it. And that's been that's a constant daily journey.
SPEAKER_03Well, I have a kind of a wild experience because Paul Jr. is going to be 49 in September. So my first one's about to turn 49, and I got a Zoe turning seven next week, and Mana 10. So I I remember all the mistakes I made with Paul Jr. and being so driven and you know, just kind of young and crazy and thinking about go, go, go. And now I'm like, okay, I gotta make sure I don't do to Paul Jr. or what it to the these ones what I did to Paul Jr. But it's amazing how much maturity you need to be a good parent. Yeah. It really it you I we don't have a system for teaching us how to be parents. And I think that's something that I hope somebody can do a lot with is bring us a really healthy, almost like Rudolf Steiner type education for parenting.
SPEAKER_07That's a good that's a good intention. Yeah, the universe.
SPEAKER_03And it wasn't your dream to open a school for children.
SPEAKER_07That's uh I I am on that process now because I've been completely obsessed with the idea for many years. You're the perfect guy to do that. Thank you for that. So I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, with your mind and both of you uh have the right kind of mindset to do that, it would be I think it would be really well supported. Um I think Steiner left us a great model. The problem is is you get all these weird ideas coming through Waldorf schools and parents fighting over stupid shit and forcing kids to be vegetarian and you know, so some of the because the Waldorf schools are all independent, they're not like a blanket system. Yep. You can go like fortunate for us, our kids' Waldorf school system is beautiful because the people that own it, that started it and run it are really intelligent people, so they're not pulling all the vegetarian crap. But I've had many situations where I have had to consult parents who, you know, like the kid brought a sandwich with some meat in it, and the whole school went into an uproar, and parents attacking them and saying, How dare you have somebody eat a dead animal in front of my child? And and then you get all these kind of like political infightings. But my point is someone like you could create a holistic system of education that would be really good for the future.
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SPEAKER_03Great ride, you guys. Wow, thank you so much. Thanks for sponsoring the podcast. I I'll say it a billion times. I there's nothing more rewarding for me than knowing that what I provide people through the podcast is stuff that really does help. And it can, as I said to you guys earlier when we're talking, it can be very hard because if I ever lose a sponsor for any reason, I gotta go find another one. It's really hard to find somebody that I can feel good about selling their stuff because there's just not very many people that care. It's very hard to find the kind of quality you guys provide.
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SPEAKER_07Yep. That's because I don't want bad karma. Yeah. Well, I said it, I think our last podcast, but I'll say it again. You know, if you're in the health field and you're really committed, eventually, you end up at the top of the mountain here at the rainbow and sitting in front of Paul Check and and getting that which got you to that point resolved. Yeah. The question that drove you to the top of the mountain to guess the ask the teacher, well, if you got here, you earned the right to get the answer. And uh I'm very appreciative because we always get answers to lots of questions every time I'm here. So thank you for that. It's a great two-way trail exchange.
SPEAKER_03It's it's so funny because when people do often come up here and meet me, and I'll offer them a bag of smoke, and they're going like, You you use tobacco? I might offer them a piece of chocolate. You eat chocolate, and you know, and they're like in shock because they think I'm like this hardcore yogi that just you know meditates all day and lives off of vapor and you know, and uh and I I'm uh you know, my my my answer is hey, not too much, not too little. That's that's how you stay healthy. Is that what it says on the other side? Yeah, not too much, that not too little. That is the way of the Tao. That's a saying I I created years and years and years ago while I was studying Taoism. But I think that's a good message for all of us, really. I think being rigid and fanatical is a disease, and not caring is the other end of that disease, and finding the sweet spot in the middle is what the magic is. It's kept me healthy, it's kept you guys healthy. So hey, I hope you guys enjoyed the podcast. Thank you to all my sponsors, including the two guys sitting right here. And thanks for buying all the products that you can from the sponsors, because those sponsors get all their source materials from organic farmers and biodynamic farmers who take care of the planet for us. You're putting money in the hands of companies that actually care about you. You're taking care of your body, and a little goes to the podcast, and that's a quadruple win. We want to support the Four Leaf Clover. And thanks to you guys for uh really being genuinely interested in your health, your well-being, your education, and being a living example to others and sharing the education and sharing the podcast. And I look forward to sharing something amazing with you in my next podcast. So lots of love. Thanks again, Wade. Thanks again, Matt. Don't take six months to get here again.
SPEAKER_01We'll do.
SPEAKER_03Uh-huh. Thanks. Bye, guys.
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